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Thread 27 - Sunak : the Ship is Sinking, Hold Your Nerve!

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DuncinToffee · 26/06/2023 14:10

In the voice of Cpl Jones.

"Don't panic Capt Sunak"

"Hold your nerve"

"They don't like it up em".

Previous https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4823678-thread-25-sunak-peerages-privileges-the-covid-inquiry?page=1

We have a choice between extremely bad alternative outcomes

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L1ttledrummergirl · 13/07/2023 09:30

They've just shown they are so corrupt and entitled that they tried to avoid the rules because they don't feel that they apply to them.

Nothing new there then.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 09:33

Actually it looks like IX Wireless has been donating to the NRG for sometime. So the issue (aside from the odd arrangements below) is that MPs are using staff/office money to fund the NRG.
I think. 😬

From Jan 23
www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/01/09/tory-mps-accepted-donations-worth-thousands-from-mystery-donors/

From Aug 21.
EXCL: A telecomms biz endorsed by Oliver Dowden has now donated more than £40k to MPs exclusively belonging to the Northern Research Group. NRG treasurer John Stevenson liaises between members of the group and IX Wireless to who should be offered £££

Many NRG members have a limited if any understanding of IX Wireless’ aims and are not even in contact with the biz. Instead, MPs are offered the chance to independently vie for a donation, with those who successfully state their case standing to gain thousands for their offices

twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1431261497225879552?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Blossomtoes · 13/07/2023 09:41

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 09:08

Yes 👏 Perking - but I think they must have known staff/office £££ were not intended to be used to fund internal research groups.

It looks like a form of money laundering to me.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 11:03

"Exclusive:

Nadine Dorries asked Simon Case if she could be added to Liz Truss's resignation honours list after she was taken off Boris Johnson's

A friend of Dorries said claims she was aggressive were 'nonsense'"

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1679428010670272524?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I suppose it was worth a try!

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 11:05

After being sent in to Rye College following lots of political pressure over Catgate, Ofsted found:

  • no serious concerns
  • school has ‘culture of kindness and mutual support’
  • teachers largely ‘promote debate and manage pupils’ discussions well’

twitter.com/johndickenssw/status/1679415784164950018?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

So a non story whipped up by the media and politicians.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 11:39

breaking in the High Court:

  • trade unions have won a major legal victory over the government
  • their complaint has been upheld over ministers allowing firms to supply agency workers to employers to undermine legal strike action

court ruled ex business secretary Kwasi Kwarteng failed to consult in way that was "so unfair as to be unlawful and indeed irrational"

it said Kwarteng pressed ahead "when the advice to him was that it would be of negligible short-term benefit and probably be counterproductive"

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1679427827886587904?s=20

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DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 11:44

So another non story whipped up by the media and politicians.

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DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 11:46

I have got a bridge to sell Hmm

EXCLUSIVE:

Boris Johnson has been unable to give the Covid inquiry Whatsapp messages from his old iPhone because he has forgotten passcode

Government security experts trying to establish if they can stop the iPhone erasing itself if passcode is wrong

twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1679440577765539842?s=20

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StormShadow · 13/07/2023 11:47

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 11:03

"Exclusive:

Nadine Dorries asked Simon Case if she could be added to Liz Truss's resignation honours list after she was taken off Boris Johnson's

A friend of Dorries said claims she was aggressive were 'nonsense'"

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1679428010670272524?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I suppose it was worth a try!

She's so desperate. It's embarrassing. Face it Nads, they're just not that into you.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 11:58

There we go - cuts to what's left of services.

EXCLUSIVE:

Rishi Sunak has accepted recommendations of all public sector pay review bodies

Millions of public sector workers including teachers, doctors and police officers will get pay rises of 6% or more

BUT it will be funded from existing budgets

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1679443871296569351?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 12:06

Public sector pay would be between 12% and 20% higher if it had increased at the same rate as the private sector since 2010, according to research by @InstituteGC for #Peston

If it matched the finance sector, teachers would be paid a HUGE 28% more

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1679443140271374338?s=20

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Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 12:07

From the IFS thread yesterday-

That would be tricky. Schools, for instance, might have to cut back on things like textbooks, science experiments, school trips, cleaning services, etc, in order to meet the costs of higher teacher pay from within the same budget. Or, public services will employ fewer staff.

twitter.com/benzaranko/status/1679077681818738690?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Fewer TAs. Fewer teachers. Fewer medics.

And then there is the resulting pressures on staff - so turning the screw on the recruitment & retention crisis.

Losing experienced staff to better paid or better workload roles outside of public sector.

Will strike action continue?

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 12:08

Tories DO NOT CARE

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Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 12:16

Its all part of the Conservative hope that offering tax cuts before the next election will distract voters from poor public services.

jgw1 · 13/07/2023 12:17

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 12:07

From the IFS thread yesterday-

That would be tricky. Schools, for instance, might have to cut back on things like textbooks, science experiments, school trips, cleaning services, etc, in order to meet the costs of higher teacher pay from within the same budget. Or, public services will employ fewer staff.

twitter.com/benzaranko/status/1679077681818738690?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Fewer TAs. Fewer teachers. Fewer medics.

And then there is the resulting pressures on staff - so turning the screw on the recruitment & retention crisis.

Losing experienced staff to better paid or better workload roles outside of public sector.

Will strike action continue?

I am not convinced that if schools cut everything to zero that was not salaries they would be able to afford to pay the pay rise without cutting staff numbers as well.
Those staff numbers having already been cut from 2010 levels anyway.

I guess Sunak hasn't realised that surest way to make the country better is to educate children well.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 12:20

Do schools even have their budgets yet? Bit tricky to know how to fund anything if the Government wont tell them what they have in the first place.

It is no way to run an education or a health system.

Cornettoninja · 13/07/2023 12:25

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 11:03

"Exclusive:

Nadine Dorries asked Simon Case if she could be added to Liz Truss's resignation honours list after she was taken off Boris Johnson's

A friend of Dorries said claims she was aggressive were 'nonsense'"

twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1679428010670272524?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I suppose it was worth a try!

I’d love to know what’s driving Nads. I suspect that she’s got arrangements in the pipeline that can only come to fruition if she’s in place in the HoL.

I just don’t think the humiliation she’s putting herself through is worth it otherwise.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 12:26

I guess Sunak hasn't realised that surest way to make the country better is to educate children well.

Oh he knows this but also realises that well state educated children won't vote Tory

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Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 12:28

I also want to point out that Hospital managers have been told to find 6% cost savings this year - twice the usual target.
So suggesting they can also fund a 6% pay rise and sustain current levels of service is nonsense.

But you know tax cuts in the spring or whatever.

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 12:34

jgw1 · 13/07/2023 12:17

I am not convinced that if schools cut everything to zero that was not salaries they would be able to afford to pay the pay rise without cutting staff numbers as well.
Those staff numbers having already been cut from 2010 levels anyway.

I guess Sunak hasn't realised that surest way to make the country better is to educate children well.

I think you are making a massive assumption there that Sunak wants to make the country better.

Blossomtoes · 13/07/2023 12:38

Cornettoninja · 13/07/2023 12:25

I’d love to know what’s driving Nads. I suspect that she’s got arrangements in the pipeline that can only come to fruition if she’s in place in the HoL.

I just don’t think the humiliation she’s putting herself through is worth it otherwise.

I don’t think she’s got the self awareness to realise how she’s humiliating herself. Same as some of the stuff Andrea Jenkyns comes out with.

jgw1 · 13/07/2023 12:39

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 12:34

I think you are making a massive assumption there that Sunak wants to make the country better.

No obviously his sole aim is to make himself and his family richer, if that were not the case, he would be willing to at least pay the same proportion of his income in taxes as a nurse does.

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 12:46

There’s also a side aim of smashing everything to bits and making things as bad as possible.

Do the NHS staff that got 5% from this April get an extra uplift or are we stuck with 5%. I seem to remember something about the government putting a cap on what the pay review board could suggest.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 13:07

Paul Waugh

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1679453186745069570?t=S61yuYkeKas8DQZNt0VM8A&s=19

Chief Secretary to the Treasury, John Glen, says govt will 'fully fund' the new teacher pay rise....by 'reprioritising' existing funding for the Department for Education. Not exactly clear what that verb means.

Interesting: Glen announces doctors' pay rise to be funded by an increase in the 'NHS surcharge' on foreign users of the health service.

Also interesting: police pay to be funded by increasing cost of visas [inc workers, students and others]Also, civil service recruitment freeze in MoD will help fund pay rise for armed forces..

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DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 13:14

At Downing St press conference, Rishi Sunak says extra funding for schools budget will come from £1bn raised by putting up visa application fees & charge for migrants to use the NHS.

Yes that is going to work Hmm

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