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Thread 27 - Sunak : the Ship is Sinking, Hold Your Nerve!

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DuncinToffee · 26/06/2023 14:10

In the voice of Cpl Jones.

"Don't panic Capt Sunak"

"Hold your nerve"

"They don't like it up em".

Previous https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4823678-thread-25-sunak-peerages-privileges-the-covid-inquiry?page=1

We have a choice between extremely bad alternative outcomes

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RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 13:45

Have we had Boris can’t hand over his phone because he’s forgotten his passcode yet?

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1679440577765539842

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1679440577765539842

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 13:47

Don’t believe for a second that government security experts can’t get round that.

newnamethanks · 13/07/2023 13:48

Nadine aggressive? Surely not. Consider her impeccable reputation.

newnamethanks · 13/07/2023 13:54

It's utter bilge. Bozo won't be withholding information to protect anyone other than himself so what's on it? I wonder if he had any chats with the Lebedevs, father and son, prior to party and peerage. He is feckless enough to have done so although that would be outside the parameters of the enquiry.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 13:59

Ofcourse Johnson is lying

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RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 14:36

It even less believable than his WhatsApp’s not being backed up when he had to change his phone. I can absolutely believe that security services would have told him not to back it up on the cloud but since when has Boris taken any security briefing seriously.

And he clearly remembered the passcode when he switched the phone back on in Dec 2021.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 14:41

Teachers Unions have been told the pay rise is fully funded -

"Government sources have confirmed to me how the schools' budget being protected (and how they've convinced the unions of that) It is to do with the Department for Education's annual underspend. Usually it goes back to the Treasury but will now be diverted to pay..."

twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1679469101033324545?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

So who knew there was an underspend enough for teachers salaries to rise 6%? And why didn't they use that before the strikes?

And -

"Key point from @jonathansimons - funding a permanent pay rise from one off underspends just punts the problem to the next spending review - making it even harder for whoever wins the election to stick to current plans. jonathansimons1982.medium.com/bonus-thursday…"

twitter.com/samfr/status/1679477333718102016?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 14:48

Why the actual fuck do the DfE have an underspend when schools are literally falling down around pupils and school budgets have been ground down as far as they possibly can and then reduced further.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 14:50

Quite. There is some very odd stuff going on here.

Schools still have to find 3.5% I think.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 14:52

Is it the money that Gove returned? They found some in the back of the sofa?

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Kiwano · 13/07/2023 14:54

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 14:48

Why the actual fuck do the DfE have an underspend when schools are literally falling down around pupils and school budgets have been ground down as far as they possibly can and then reduced further.

To say nothing of the fact that the SEN system is acknowledged to be a disaster area because funding allocated to local authorities for that purpose is grossly inadequate.

AdamRyan · 13/07/2023 14:59

It's typical public sector yearly budgeting. They get a budget of £x in April to fund various big projects, at this point in the year there have often been delays so they've spent less than they realised.

Usually in October time they start panicking about failing to deliver and start spending more so it's all gone by April. Not helped by there being no incentive for bringing a project in under budget.

The yearly funding cycles really contribute to quite a lot of problems but I assume there must be some fatal difficulty with doing it differently as its been like that for as long as I've been working which is quite a while :D

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 15:02

Noble has started a thread on it

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4848256-rishi-triumphs-over-the-teaching-unions?reply=127602021

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RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 15:13

I’m not suggesting they should budget that underspend from April. But you’d think by mid way through the year they could find at least one project that needs funding given there isn’t a single section of education that isn’t underfunded at the moment.

AdamRyan · 13/07/2023 15:30

Oh no I think I haven't been clear
They decide the projects and allocations at the start of the year then its quite hard to move money between "pots" or start new projects. They just give underspend back

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 16:15

The BMA has rejected the public sector pay offer today and said the government's choices 'continue to make ordinary people sicker and poorer'

itv.com/news/2023-07-1…

twitter.com/itvnewspolitics/status/1679509103381471234?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Not a huge surprise.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 18:45

I am not going to pretend I understand this - but it doesn't look good.

The @OBR_UK assessment of the sustainability of the UK government's debt is off-the-charts alarming. It paints a picture of shocking Treasury incompetence over the past fifteen years in managing the debt burden - which has left the UK's public finances much more exposed to rising inflation than any other comparable country. For example 1) QE has turned a third of government liabilities into overnight debt at floating rates, 2) the UK has borrowed twice as much in the form of inflation-linked bonds than any other government, and 3) the proportion of government bonds in flighty foreign hands is the second highest among G7 rich nations. One immediate consequence is that what the government pays to borrow - the yield on ten-year debt or gilts - has risen by 2 percentage points, compared with a G7 average of just 0.5 percentage points over the past 12 months. In the OBR's words, "the rise in global interest rates has fed through to the UK's debt servicing costs more than twice as fast as in the past or elsewhere". And we have the wrong kind of inflation, in the sense that compared with other countries, nominal GDP or national income isn't rising fast enough to offset the increase in the nominal debt burden, and wages aren't rising fast enough to generate additional tax revenues. As the OBR says, UK general government debt is forecast to rise by 3.1 per cent of GDP this year, compared with average falls of 1.8% in other European countries. So the obsession of Hunt and Sunak with defeating inflation is understandable - because in the absence of any significant fall in inflation, there is a risk that investors will shun UK government debt and interest rates for the government and for all of us would then rise to crippling levels. This parlous debt backdrop explains why the Bank of England and the Treasury are prepared to risk recession to bring down inflation. It is what you need to know ahead of the imminent announcement of how the government will fund pay rises for teachers, nurses and other public servants.

twitter.com/peston/status/1679451068755857408?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

jgw1 · 13/07/2023 18:46

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 18:45

I am not going to pretend I understand this - but it doesn't look good.

The @OBR_UK assessment of the sustainability of the UK government's debt is off-the-charts alarming. It paints a picture of shocking Treasury incompetence over the past fifteen years in managing the debt burden - which has left the UK's public finances much more exposed to rising inflation than any other comparable country. For example 1) QE has turned a third of government liabilities into overnight debt at floating rates, 2) the UK has borrowed twice as much in the form of inflation-linked bonds than any other government, and 3) the proportion of government bonds in flighty foreign hands is the second highest among G7 rich nations. One immediate consequence is that what the government pays to borrow - the yield on ten-year debt or gilts - has risen by 2 percentage points, compared with a G7 average of just 0.5 percentage points over the past 12 months. In the OBR's words, "the rise in global interest rates has fed through to the UK's debt servicing costs more than twice as fast as in the past or elsewhere". And we have the wrong kind of inflation, in the sense that compared with other countries, nominal GDP or national income isn't rising fast enough to offset the increase in the nominal debt burden, and wages aren't rising fast enough to generate additional tax revenues. As the OBR says, UK general government debt is forecast to rise by 3.1 per cent of GDP this year, compared with average falls of 1.8% in other European countries. So the obsession of Hunt and Sunak with defeating inflation is understandable - because in the absence of any significant fall in inflation, there is a risk that investors will shun UK government debt and interest rates for the government and for all of us would then rise to crippling levels. This parlous debt backdrop explains why the Bank of England and the Treasury are prepared to risk recession to bring down inflation. It is what you need to know ahead of the imminent announcement of how the government will fund pay rises for teachers, nurses and other public servants.

twitter.com/peston/status/1679451068755857408?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I am guessing this is why Starmer and Labour are loath to commit to too many spending committments at the moment. They probably know there ain't much good news to be had, but can't yet be certain how bad things will be when they take over.

Blossomtoes · 13/07/2023 18:47

To me that translates to “We’re fucked”.

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 18:48

austerity 2.0

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Piggywaspushed · 13/07/2023 19:00

But...but... I thought the Tories were the party of economic prudence??

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 19:00

Sunak messed up the QE when chancellor, lost 11bn for not insuring against increasing interest rates

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Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 19:04

"I am guessing this is why Starmer and Labour are loath to commit to too many spending committments at the moment. They probably know there ain't much good news to be had, but can't yet be certain how bad things will be when they take over"

Exactly.
You might recall that bloody stupid joke "there is no money "letter that Greg Hands tweets every 4 hours. The one that has been a running joke for 50 years.

Well, the Conservatives are going to need a much bigger letter.
They are going to leave a trail of destruction behind them.

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/07/2023 20:55

DuncinToffee · 13/07/2023 18:48

austerity 2.0

Because if austerity 1.0 made things worse why not try austerity 2.0 and see if the outcome is different.

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 22:29

Funding for Drs & Nurses pay rise will be part funded by immigration health surcharge.
The will increase the surcharge and hope to raise an extra 400 million (in addition to 600 million usually raised)

That still leaves NHS England trying to find 700 million PLUS the 6% efficiency cuts I mentioned earlier.

All set out in this thread from Henry Anderson -

I understand that Dept of Health & Social Care will have to find around £700m in savings to fund today's pay announcement (6% for most doctors, with juniors also receiving £1.2k extra)

If there's no scope at DHSC level, lot of this could be passed on to NHS

Quick thread...

twitter.com/hmanderson39/status/1679593647245803523?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Because it's not like the service is fragile now is it?
But they've got the headlines they wanted.

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