MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

It is very sad that people have lost their lives and in such horrific circumstances but I am at a loss as to why it has gripped and obsessed people to such an extent. I am guessing it is a combination of the mythology of the Titanic, the wealth of the people going on the trip and the utter horror of their fate.

Well no one on this thread is. Are you nuts?

Surely the Titanic actually was built with safety in mind -that was the (now ironic) point. It was meant to be unsinkable.

People are still trying to come to terms with the shock, anger and grief

I have no shock, anger or grief. Having watched the video of the CEO, I am afraid it was all entirely predictable and the people that voluntarily went on it are idiots. It was inevitable people would die using this amateur tin can and there is nothing shocking about it.

It is sad that the pilot died because he probably was just someone who needed a paying job and I guess that deep sea expertise has limited options.

It's sad for the 19 year old boy especially if it's true that he really didn't want to go.

The others I have really limited sympathy for. I feel for their families as it is always horrible to face the death of a loved one but the men themselves knew what dumb risks they were taking and for what? Nothing at all. You can see a full digital scan of this wreck in your armchair with a glass of whisky.

Because it seemed there was the possibility of rescue in an awful situation. Just like the boys trapped in the caves that involved a difficult rescue, or digging lost children out from earthquakes, or the girl in the us stuck in a well.

They knew it wasn't unsinkable.
Yes it had safety features which meant that it could stay afloat if X amount of compartments got flooded etc...but they knew that it would sink if more than that amount got flooded and that it definitely was not unsinkable.

Well, that’s all normal. The media discusses possibilities, of course it does. So do the scientists and experts. But an implosion and them dying instantly was always going to be high up on the list of possibilities.

Well how would you characterise it, and have you researched the aims of the project rather than just the media headlines etc?

@Lifeomars
It is very sad that people have lost their lives and in such horrific circumstances but I am at a loss as to why it has gripped and obsessed people to such an extent. I am guessing it is a combination of the mythology of the Titanic, the wealth of the people going on the trip and the utter horror of their fate.

All these but also the power of an unfolding 'live' story really grips people. You see it on MN with troll threads which are usually 'live' action reporting because people get really engaged and sucked in. The ' I've just found a pair of knickers in my DH's pocket and he will be home in 10 mins' type threads.

Also I think the possibility that one outcome was that the people could suffocate to death (which has a gruesome horror that engages people) but that they could still be rescued (happy ending possible that engages people).

The Titanic factor is huge though - I think that if they'd just been going to collect bacteria or have a look for a rare squid there would be less interest.

But you said it had zero safety in mind, and that isn’t true. You’ve just said so.

On a previous trip they collected samples of the water and handed them to scientists who studied them, the ocean can tell us lots about the world and things changing. Trips like this fund this sort of thing, I have no doubt the CEO just wanted the money and notoriety, but in general the Titanic was just the money maker. Its a similar thing with zoos, they need money to fund conservation projects (looking after the animals at the zoos which are part of these projects and their partnerships abroad) but make far more money from having visitors than just asking for donations. Some areas of science are similar, you won't secure funding or have lots of donations but you can find ways to get money and carry certain things out at the same time.

You are aware that you can’t control what people want to talk about right?

^This!

This is what I have been pondering, I think it is a combination of thinking about how hellish it would be to be trapped at such depths in the ocean with no hope of being rescued, the fact that this was to all intents and purposes a tourist trip and the mythological status of the Titanic in our culture. I live in Nottingham and am still very much more focused on the terrible events we experienced last week (13 June) and also a high profile trial that is happening here where a mother and her two little girls died in an arson attack on their flat. That latter event had really been preying on my mind. Obviously cannot discuss the trial as it is current but the details in our local paper are incredibly distressing and personally I am finding it very upsetting.

It clearly wasn't unsinkable. But they believed it was (bit like OceanGate believed the Titan sub was fit for purpose) so did not have enough life rafts for everyone on board which were essential to survive.

I'm sorry this thread has clearly got your back up. We don't go through life having to come to terms with EVERY bad / inconvenient thing that happens to us. This particular event is completely mind blowing to so many people. The combination of where they are. What vessel they are in, AND the fact it's quite honestly the stuff nightmares are made of for most people, is enough for many to have been very much infested and hoping for these people to have made it out alive.

Now that it's clear this isn't the case, of course many people are feeling disheartened and upset.

Sounds like the CEO would be facing criminal charges if he had survived. Totally ridiculous tourist endeavour, for which they paid the ultimate price.

What???
I didn't say anything like that

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I hope it didn't take days to implode and instead it was fast and painless for all involved. The alternative doesn't bare thinking about

The water at that depth is about 6,000 PSI. For some kind of reference your car tyres are about 30PSI

Now, I am no physicist but it probably took less than days.

Argh, Sorry, not you.
I mean @DumboLives

Ah ok,
If you look here at this wikipedia article on the legends and myths about the titanic the first part talks about the claims that it was described as 'unsinkable'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_and_myths_regarding_the_Titanic#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20popular%20mythology%2C%20Titanic,unsinkable%20prior%20to%20her%20sinking.

Well there has been one

Woman who completed lifelong dream to explore Titanic says she ‘lost it’ afterwards (msn.com)

And as there have only been about 5 trips, yes it's a minority, but of a very small population

And that distress signal might be useful - say if you go on holiday and there's an earthquake, or some sort of crash, and you want rescuers to know there's a person still alive in the rubble or wreckage (not just random noises of settling).

might I ask why your heart is broken for these men? I don’t relish anyone’s death, but they chose to engage in an extremely risky activity and this was the natural consequence. Does your heart also break for the people who die on Everest or during other “extreme” high risk tourism?

I would refer you to John Donne, because I am involved in mankind.

It's possible to be sorry for deaths and at the same time to be almost jealous that they have reached their inevitable end doing something they loved, rather than as most of us will.