MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

Me too!

The Rubik's cube story was incredibly poignant.
I'm so angry at the selfish owner of that Heath Robinson 'Submersible'who was hunting for punters to travel on his grossly unsafe craft.

It's terrifying that he was legally allowed to take out paying passengers on that death trap.

Ocean~Gate are unfit to operate. {in my opinion}.

@plantsandwich * high fives *

Copying and pasting some of @CrunchyCarrot 's post but there was a cryptic message in the statement from the family which may have been directed at the aunt:

"As with any tragedy of this magnitude, it brings out the best and worst in people."

"Some go out of their way to contribute and support, others use these moments for personal gains. How one behaves in such circumstances reveals more about their own character than anything else."

I was hesitant to assume the mum was against it, as so many did. I pointed out that there could be all sorts of family dynamics at play that we aren't aware of, when the dad was accused of being overbearing.
When 'fathers' day trip' was mentioned, it seemed unlikely that would have been organised without her.

I thought the mother's interview was very elegant and graceful putting paid to the suggestion her son was a reluctant participant. I feel for her and her daughter waiting on the support ship thoughout it all. If I was interviewing her the question I'd like to ask is how did you assure yourselves of the safety of the Titan - and what were you told that reassured you. How was it sold to you.

I've just read the SubReddit Q&A with Stockton Rush and it's notable how little emphasis was on the safety of the Titan - only one question I could see on to what depth the vessel was assured and whether he was confident of its rating. It's interesting how once someone speaks with confidence about the scope of their plans and drums up excitement people sort of assume the engineering has been certified and independently tested. But it's also clear that the lack of these kind of opportunities being available and the capacity constraints on those vessels that do exist made it a very exciting prospect - opening up access more widely. He also heavily sold the trips as an opportunity to expand research and knowledge whist in reality there was only one person on board - the diver - with any real research knowledge. And bunkum about how each member of the trip could have some input to mission critical activities (which seems to extend solely to doing the Rubiks cube in reality). Tellingly Rush reveals his real motivation when asked about covid restrictions - comparing Titan's operation to the private jets market and that he'd come to this area from a business rather than scientific or engineering perspective. That's what this was really about. And tellingly links to why Hamish Harding was on board - given that private aviation was his background. Maybe Rush saw him as a potential investor as he was from a kindred market.

I can't stop thinking about the Titan.

In part it's because I keep thinking of what it would be like to be stuck in a tiny pod with 4 other strangers if it had failed - a hang over from the reporting of the banging noises/hours oxygen left - and the panic that would be felt.

In part because I can't actually believe that anyone got in this thing or the slapdash DIY approach of Stockton Rush and the way he was hassling people to buy a trip. This will probably be shocking opinion but given that he was told he would kill people, kept going even though this was always going to fail at some point, and people died when it had a catastrophic implosion (in other words some people were killed as a result of him), taking all those together, he deserved to die on that ship. I can't bear the thought of what would have happened if he hadn't been on the ship. He'd have been all "this is a one in a million accident, it's safe, must have been driver error, blame blame deflect blame".

In part because of James Cameron talking about the alert system and the fact that the acrylic window would crackle, that they probably did get some warning even if seconds that they were going to die. The fear they must have felt.

In part because I've read a lot about deep sea submerisibles and have got a bit obsessed with the info/environment.

My mind keeps going back to it.

I expect they'll make a film of it. Probably directed by James Cameron.

I am going to watch the documentary tonight. I can't stop thinking about it either. I joined the subreddit on it. I just feel so sorry for their families :(

I am similar. It's so sad. Apparantly it was decades ago when a sub imploded the last time. I suppose since then,for others safety was paramount and risks migitated.

The sad thing is other deep divers and other subs allowed people to deep dive and see the Titanic and they came up alive to tell the tale.

There was no reason in the world for Rush's guests to die but Rush was penny pinching every step of the way.

@plantsandwich which documentary are you referring to?

@SirQuintusAureliusMaximus 'Take me to Titanic'. The BBC have removed it but It's still on vimeo. I will link, but was aware some may find it to be in bad taste.

Thanks - wasn't aware of this on vimeo.

Apparently, the heaters would have failed & hypothermia set in, fast. So, the whole oxygen running out a total farce. How did ‘experts’ not realise?

'Take me to Titanic'. The BBC have removed it but It's still on vimeo.

@plantsandwich

It is still on iplayer at least on line - I've just started to watch it and I'm finding it chilling. At the shots of the Titan, I am overwhelmed by the thought that it doesn't exist any more because it imploded violently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001d2ml/the-travel-show-take-me-to-titanic-part-1

Ah thanks, I couldn't find it before for some reason.

Jesus - this documentary is creepy as fuck.
There is footage inside and one of the men is riffling through what looks like technical papers with literally a torch held between his teeth.

A passenger says - after 2 hours into a journey when Stockton said they had to go back because of a battery issue "I was really intrigued with like so we can't get to the site tonight what are our options. We had discussed actually staying, just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean in the submersible. We have special weights that would dissolve after 24 hours so they would drop off and then we would be able to get up to the surface".

WTAF

WTAF

WTAF!!!!!!!!!!!

You've convinced me to watch it now! I was made redundant not so long ago and now have freelance work only two days a week-I feel incredibly lazy if I am not productive during the day, always feel pressured to be 'busy'. But I am going to watch it now and not feel guilty about it (TMI).

"if you have any questions about what is going one... feel free to ask. we want everyone going into this fully informed. This is an experimental sub. It's a very dangerous environment we want to make sure you are going in with an open eye. If you don't want to do it at any time feel free to say 'hey I wanna take a pass""

Stockton Rush is coming across as an absolute wanker just full of his own important and hot air. He's repellent.

I've downloaded it but it might just creep me out too much. Or I'll punch the telly when HIS face comes on, the arrogant, ignorant fool

@TallulahBetty it is creepy. It's almost like everything everyone says is imbued with a deep, deep meaning and prescience. This one woman is saying that it's a "thing" for people to decorate polysterene cups and tie them on to the sub because they compress under pressure and become tiny so you ahve a tiny souvenir to give to people.

Which makes you think (a) I expect the deceased passengers did this and (b) fuck... the pressure.. that pressure that killed these people.

I'm just so vicariously traumatised for these passengers who are still alive. These events must have hit them hard.

Someone has just said "that's the problem, there is so much that can go wrong".

If you are going to watch it, I think you need to have a strong stomach as it were. It's quite traumatising and I'm only 17 mins into Part 1.

This one woman is saying that it's a "thing" for people to decorate polysterene cups and tie them on to the sub because they compress under pressure and become tiny so you ahve a tiny souvenir to give to people.

I have a few of those. It's a great way to demonstrate the pressure.

Part 1 of the Documentary take Me to the Titanic at 19mins - after the sub has launched they have all these lingering shots of the launch ship showing that is now empty - the canteen with half eaten lunch on a plant, the empty gymnasium, empty halls - accompanied by wistful classical music.

I'm sure the point is to show they are all on the sub and in the sea with the dramatic message of 'are they going to come back'.

But in the light of what happened - god it is moving and so disturbing.

Eerie (and sad) seeing Paul-Henri Nargeolet too.

@Igneococcus
This one woman is saying that it's a "thing" for people to decorate polysterene cups and tie them on to the sub because they compress under pressure and become tiny so you ahve a tiny souvenir to give to people.

I have a few of those. It's a great way to demonstrate the pressure.

I've learnt so much - and found this:

https://nautiluslive.org/resource/compressed-styrofoam-cups-teaching-graphic

and also this:

https://www.whitestarlines.co.uk/titanic---legacy-collection-wreck-site-dive-polystyrene-cup-1204-p.asp

I'm now in the second half.

Woman in the canteen: Especially on dive days it gets very busy but I woudn't have it any other way. Every day it's like the excitement. Like OK Is there a dive today? Are they going to make it?What did they see? Who is going down? When are they coming back? Some days like you said are more challenging than others...

I'll say.

Are they going to make it? - I know she meant to the wreck in generally rather than having to abort but - like I said the whole programme has a deeper meaning now.