MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

Ooops. That should have read "No, I am not".

Apologies if this hs already been answered. What did they say about the sub not having GPS? I've read a few posts elsewhere saying it's not possible due to the dephts, and others saying it is possible.

Oh ok.
OP received criticism for being heartbroken and personally upset, so thought you were referring to her. I think she has taken advice to step back.

Not possible in those depths.

Apparently gps doesn't work underwater but I've read it did have some kind of transponder which vanished at the same time as comes etc stopped. It does seem they probably had an idea what had happened from the start.

Sorry if it has being covered but why is Cameron being so critical when he's done it 30 odd times, was his submersible superior or something?

Comms*

Thank you.

And I don't understand how Cameron succeeded so many times and this one vessel didn't?

Quick answer:

GPS does not work underwater so it would only of been of use if the vessel had surfaced.

If ocean gate had an idea at the start why did they wait eight hours to alert anyone? I don’t understand why they waited so long

'If ocean gate had an idea at the start why did they wait eight hours to alert anyone? I don’t understand why they waited so long'

It's been reported it had lost communication before and bobbed back up after a few hours so perhaps they were waiting incase that happened.

I can't understand why we've been told the search area was massive when it was exactly where it was last known to have been.

For info there are two different bits of Physics involved here...

GPS uses radio waves and with minor exceptions (very long wavelength, short distances, big aerial) radio waves doesn't work under water.

As a result sub water comms, transponders, pingers etc generally use sound waves (i.e. acoustics)

@notimagain thanks for such an eminently sensible post (as seems to be the case 'big news' brings out some silly responses as well as some sensible ones). My teenagers & I have followed the story. We have learned a lot of interesting information & had some useful discussion (they have ASD & are studying physics, engineering & computing atm).
It's terribly sad, particularly for the teenager, but for all the loss of life. The only point of 'relief' is that death would have been instantaneous for them. I hope their families are given as much info as the experts can glean in time. The world's media doesn’t really need to know more. May they rest in peace.

Size for one thing, Cameron suggests it was too large.

This is the best interview I've seen from an expert. Very clear and to the point.

I really don't regard visiting the Titanic as unethical. I don't have a problem with people visiting Auschwitz or Pompeii, so I don't have a problem with the Titanic.

I think it's nonsense to visit the Titanic, as it's unsafe.

However, I really don't believe it's unethical.

I don't think that "I have a problem" as you stated - it's okay to have different opinions and no reason for personal attacks

Why would the mother feel guilty? It’s purely on the father. She will be suffering desperately.

And they made the pressurised chamber on this one out of composite fibre glass because it was cheaper. His was made out of steel.

I had wondered if they knew

right, that makes more sense now (Cameron trips x this vessel)

I don't think he fully confirmed that part. It seems there is a suggestion that they might have alerted the mothership that they were doing an emergency ascension but if that is the case OceanGate are not admitting it at the moment. I assume those sort of details will come out as part of an official investigation or litigation.

I would be very cautious taking to heart what the aunt said. The family were quoted by the BBC as saying:

"As with any tragedy of this magnitude, it brings out the best and worst in people."

"Some go out of their way to contribute and support, others use these moments for personal gains. How one behaves in such circumstances reveals more about their own character than anything else."

His Aunt said he was indeed terrified.
I understand what you are saying about Soldiers , but they are trained , not thrown into strange elements immediately {unless conscripts}.
Soldiers do of course experience real fears and face them- but this case is different, he didn't have to go- it was to accompany his father.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/titanic-submersible-shahwood-suleman-family-tragedy-rcna90678#

Extremely good interview- Thanks for link.

And shape. All other manned submersibles to visit the titanic have been sphere shaped, as this is a very strong shape. However they could only seat 2-3 people. The Titan was tubular shaped instead, to allow 5 people to be accommodated. Unfortunately this was at the expense of strength. Tubes are structurally weaker than spheres.

It’s crazy that the US allowed this whole circus to go on for days, risking air crew and such. They knew something had imploded there before it was even reported missing. The whole idea of SOSUS is to capture the quietest sounds made by enemy subs, there’s no way that it wasn’t heard and classified as such at the time it occurred.