MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

We don’t know what the family were being told behind the scenes, right from day one.

The “banging” story is obviously not going to go away but FWIW from what I read the USCG were describing noises had been detected that were worthy of further analysis. I’m not sure they can be held at fault for releasing factual info..

Correct

They will probably try to recover what they can, to help establish what went wrong.

stories coming out now that the US navy knew from the start that it was an implosion.
Lots of conspiracy theories about deflecting news stories etc. But it that's true, it's hideous that the families have spent 4 days imagining their loved ones trapped in a can at the bottom of the Atlantic.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12225841/James-Cameron-blasts-hunt-Titanic-sub-nightmarish-charade.html

I'm not watching the James Cameron clip, he might have been deep underwater a couple of times but he is no expert, even if he believes he is.

I don't think they were 'happy' to release the banging information, I think it leaked and they then had to say, 'Yes we heard a noise but we don't know what it is'.

What happens now? Nothing or will they try and recover the larger bits of debris?

As they already have what they need to do that I think they probably will. Horrible as this sounds that debris might contribute to making deep dives safer.

“The “banging” story is obviously not going to go away but FWIW from what I read the USCG were describing noises had been detected that were worthy of further analysis. I’m not sure they can be held at fault for releasing factual info..“

Exactly. They had a piece of evidence that might imply an implosion, that they could not disclose, from the navy (presumably they were also running analysis on this to see if it could be anything other than an implosion) and a piece of evidence from the sonar buoys that might imply signs of life, which they were also analysing. That one, they could disclose - possibly had to, given that a wider range of people on the search would have heard the recordings and they wouldn’t want it leaked

Are you talking about the OP being heartbroken and unable to stop thinking about it?

Some of us advised her, in the kindest way, to take a step back as she felt so personally impacted.

Seemed to be some sort of mid life crisis activity for the father the fact he never had the confidence to go himself and needed someone to go with him to endure his hobby. He was going to sit into a tin can vessel, why would he need assistance and a social partner in his son for activity. It's not a teenage disco where you need your friends. He could have explored his own hobby himself without the need for having his son by his side.

Yes I had also been critical of the delay in authorising assistance and now it makes much more sense. I'm also pleased the information wasn't leaked until the VOR could actually confirm visually. It would have been inappropriate to speculate to the media. I think the Coast Guard have done a very good job of co-ordinating a complex mission.

“But it that's true, it's hideous that the families have spent 4 days imagining their loved ones trapped in a can at the bottom of the Atlantic. “

Or they may have been told that evidence indicated there was likely an implosion but the search would continue until
there was proof.

Does anyone know why it took so long for the Coastguard to be alerted on Sunday? I feel like I have missed something.

I think they would have been told an implosion was most likely but to have hope and that all that could be done would.

They lost communication but perhaps they expected this to happen

Ah, so they weren't too worried at the time because losing communication happened routinely?

I'm sure the families were told, as were we, that it was unlikely they had survived. That if there was an implosion then that was it.

The press do not always give the correct information, or they leave out details that make a difference.

I remember years ago local radio reports about someone who had been pulled out of freezing water. The reports kept saying the person was being ressucitated.

That wasn't what was happening. There have been rare cases of people being pulled out of freezing water or being frozen on land and they have no signs of life, but their body has actually gone into a state of hibernation and as they warmed up they recovered.

Because of this you cannot declare death when someone has drowned until they are 'warm and dead'.

The hospital staff know the chance of the person recovering are slim to nothing.

This!

Never underestimate the value of a search and the lessons that can be learned from it.

A few years ago there was an ex-mountain rescue guy talking about how working on a local disaster (helicopter smashed into a mountain) helped him prepare for running the Lockerbie bombing operation two years later.

I didn't think James Cameron was harsh, he is honest and no bullshit.
How can in 2023 when the machinery and knowledge should be at its peak, does this happen.. When he himself did 33 dives 26 years ago and there have been 100s more and this has never happened.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but I read on an earlier thread that allegedly subs had gone 'missing' to some extent before and surfaced later than planned. So this may have delayed them raising the alarm and not wanting to cause a fuss/panic over nothing.

I’m not sure why James Cameron thinks he’s more an authority than those doing the search

Designed and built his own deep sea submersible - which has been far far deeper than Titanic. And over 30 dives on Titanic. As he said it's a very small community who do these things and he's clearly one of them.

I'd much rather listen to James Cameron talk sense from a position of expert experience and knowledge of how the physics of pressurised objects under compression work than Sky News which is STILL talking about retrieval of bodies. It's ridiculous and ufoar to friends and family.

Thank you mauve and vita

It looks like the Coastguard did absolutely everything they could. Going by their press conferences, I'm sure they were also clear with the families.

Yes no criticism here. They were measured and professional

You put it more politely than I would have.

I can't help but think this was her way of getting a last dig in at her estranged brother and it says more about her than about him.