MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

[tortoishelll]

Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

A different outlet has said that she had no contact with her brother for many years as they didn't agree with her using medicinal cannabis. Of course any of what we read might be a crock of rubbish and I appreciate I am indulging in speculation which is unsavoury, but seems there might be more to it on reflection.

'Drive by scolders' is a brilliant phrase!

Also agree with a PP that if titanic was more accessible tonnes of people would be queueing up to view it.

Interestingly, I read a post on Reddit a while back explaining that the reason no boats at that time had enough lifeboats for all the passengers to use at once, was because it was never envisaged that all the passengers would be in them at once.

Lifeboats were intended to be used to ferry people back and forth from the sinking ship to an assisting vessel. Not for everyone to get into and await rescue. So no need for a space for every single passenger.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XIyin68vEE
2:49
they started to emergency ascend before the implosion, meaning they knew there was an issue

This probably explains (as we also speculated on the previous thread) why the US weren't interested in getting Magallan over asap . . . Realistically they wouldn't have been able to say anything until it was confirmed today by the debris.

This makes a lot of sense - thank you. I thought it wouldn't be something as pathetic as "this is ours - go away"

It will be interesting to known if the company put anything in place to do routine checks on the stresses to the craft as a result of these dives. I think this is something they have to do for aircraft, and given both aircraft and submarines work at pressure you would think they should have.

Knew this was the case from the start. There would be nothing to recover from, the bodies which would be dust long gone in the deep ocean.

Lifeboats were intended to be used to ferry people back and forth from the sinking ship to an assisting vessel. Not for everyone to get into and await rescue. So no need for a space for every single passenger.

The Titanic expert on Dan Snow's History Hit earlier in the week said the same thing. The two shipping lanes (to and from New York) were pretty close together and busy, meaning it was always assumed help would be quite close and so the lifeboats would be used for transport, not as life rafts.

As they would have been, if conditions hadn't confused the SS Californian and she'd have responded to the distress signals accordingly.

This is the most upsetting part of the story for me. A family member has claimed he was terrified and only went to please his father.

I can't get over a statement that "the weight of the Eiffel Tower was pressing on the sub" the pressure on the craft were unreal.

As with space travel and accidents there will be much learned from the accident.

I think the Titanic should be left to rest with it's lost souls. May they all rest in peace

The implosion does hide the fact that there seemed to be other issues that affected the safety and scenario planning on Titan - just as the TItanic.

What if the engines had failed?
What if they were drifting underwater without power - how could they communicate?
What if they were drifting on the surface? Same thing.

How could the support vessel know where they were - and were there back ups and redundancies in place?

Just as on the Titanic - did anybody ask the question - what if the ship did sink? How could we get everyone off safely?

Prepare for the worst - and hope it never happens.

(I still remember one of my first scuba diving outdoor dives and the first thing they said was - before you get in the water, make sure you can get out. )

If anyone quite likes a PC 'game' and is interested in the Titanic, there is a fairly brilliant project to digigitally recreate the ship as she was, when built - allowing you to walk around it and see it just as it was.

https://titanichg.com/project-401

They are about half done, but you can play the half they have done and it really is amazing (I think!).

Now THAT was appalling!

He should be ashamed.

No his step son has deleted his twitter. Seems a bit odd, but doesn't seem he lived with him mum and step dad who lived abroad and his old posts said about being skint and not being able to afford rent; suggests perhaps their relationship maybe wasn't close.

Ah. Possibly estranged from his mother then. Probably wise that he deleted his Twitter. The posts he was making along with some details about his past made him seem pretty unstable.

I'm rather annoyed by James Cameron encouraging conspiracy theories, implying "they knew" but "the engaged in a search and rescue farce anyway."

Plus - they don't "know" until they actually have evidence. Until then all that they can say is that it is "highly likely", or "on the balance of probabilities".

Suppose they had called off the search, and those men were found in a couple of weeks dead from suffocation, floating near the surface - and the "implosion" had been something else entirely? That would have been horrendous - for the men, for the families and for all of us.

It really is one of those things that you can "know" but "not know" IYSWIM.

Hamish H's wife was American from California and her son lives in San Diego - apparently near to his father. She appears to have moved to Dubai.

I agree and I’m not sure why James Cameron thinks he’s more an authority than those doing the search

@Marteenie
“I still stand by the fact that the search was so extensive because an S&R at this depth is highly unusual and callously perhaps it's excellent training for crews.”

Exactly. This was the U.S. Coast Guard working with the U.S. Navy and they have a lot of submarines that go very deep. Would all those people complaining about the extent of the search also complain about the expense of searching for trapped sailors? Or would they rather leave a nineteen year old sailor (who probably only joined for the college subsidy) to die, or leave his parents to spend the rest of their lives never knowing what happened?

They found the remains of the sub, they’ve determined the likely cause, they can inform the relatives. And all involved now have the expertise needed if they have to do it again. Whether the people in the sub are billionaires or not, this is the Coast Guard’s job. S&R is what they do. What they learnt this week may end up saving someone in the future.

What happens now? Nothing or will they try and recover the larger bits of debris?

That's very distressing.

Rightly or wrongly the 19 year old is the only one I feel sad for and if it is true that he was terrified I feel even worse. I really feel for the mum too.

Well according film director James Cameron he has heard this from unnamed sources and himself considers this unconfirmed - I don't think we can consider this a fact as yet.

Yes of course that makes sense. But they were happy to release the banging information before they had proof it was the passengers so I wonder if the family spent days wondering if their family member was trapped in the tiny sub conscious or if they knew about the possible implosion. Not that it really matters as you say - it’s absolutely horrific and I really feel for the family involved.

I think when this story broke earlier in the week, so many people clutched on in disbelief and horror hoping for a miracle that the sub would be found intact and all occupants alive and well. It was an intense few days I must admit. First thing waking in the morning and checking for the news and dipping into it regularly every day for updates.

Yesterday's findings was a relief I must admit. It told us more of the picture involved to be honest. It was highly likely and implosion occurred and there are no survivors.

It was an intense few days I must admit and I think it was sad that these people were likely dead on Sunday and Monday when the news was breaking and so many of us were clutching onto hope for a rescue mission.

Why? What did he say?

@Gilmorehill - I can’t quote your post for some reason but this is what has upset me the most. The 19 year old’s aunt said he was terrified but went along with it to please his dad and have a bonding experience for Father’s Day. I know the father has died too but apparently the Titanic was his obsession so he died living his dream and probably understood the risks more fully than his son. I just think it’s so irresponsible to have persuaded his son into doing it with him.