Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

I don't know if this is acceptable, but when I consider each of the five men in turn, I feel angry at the complete arrogance of the CEO. He knew that not only were there safety fears over that sub, but that everytime that thing was launched there was a risk of catastrophic consequences beyond an acceptable level. His absolute disrespect and disregard for the lives of the others is astounding.

I feel he was very self-deluded about the Titan itself and the safety thereof. I expect, if the sub didn't have a catastrophic instant failure, that at some point he will have had the terrible realisation that all those 'failsafes' he talked about weren't good enough, and now they were all trapped, maybe fatally.

So one of the men has gone down to see the Titanic 37 times?

Yes that would be the Frenchman, Paul-Henri Nargeoet. He's been working on the Titanic wreck surveys for years. He must have been the pilot on this trip.

in the most respectful way ~ they knew the risks, most likely signed wavers. I only have sympathy for their families who will have to go through heart break at the possibility the sub may never be found as it’s so deep under water.

my personal feeling is , ridiculously rich men playing with their expensive toys thinking it will be a nice little day out and they pushed the limits. A report said a previous passenger stated they landed on the deck of the titanic last time. They may have done the same but fell through getting trapped under parts of the titanic and unable to break free to resurface.

the titanic needs to be left alone. It’s a gravesite for thousands of lives lost in a tragic accident. Reminds me of some ghost story hearing these people have gone missing.

the man who is lost in the Chanel has been forgotten about and they have up searching for him. That’s heartbreaking for his family.

I really dislike people pitting tragedies against each other. You can feel sad for more than one thing at the same time

I'm rolling my eyes at the "interfering with a burial place" part.

I could understand "This is what you get for going miles underwater in an inappropriate craft with no supplies or rescue plan", but you think just going near somewhere where there was once a dead body is enough to kill people? I'm surprised you've lived this long 😂

I also find it eerily ironic how Stockton Rush's wife is the great, great granddaughter of two first class passengers that sadly passed on the titanic. So very sad.

TBF, prior to this event, if someone had told me that that sub was safe, I'd have probably believed them. I think a lot of us would.

The French guy and CEO had the expertise to know this was an accident waiting to happen, but I don't think the other 3, especially the boy, could have.

This is ghoulish.

I have to eye roll at this. We're not allowed to talk about anything without someone chiming on that it's ghoulish.

Tragedy happens and people are upset = ghoulish

People discussing an event in the news = ghoulish

The only thing that is actually bad is people talking down 'wealthy white lives' as if they don't deserve to be rescued

the man who is lost in the Chanel has been forgotten about

Forgotten by whom? It's being reported in the news.

I really dislike people pitting tragedies against each other. You can feel sad for more than one thing at the same time

Exactly.

I have sessions in a pressurised tank for oxygen therapy. It's a little bigger- you can stand up and has seats for 8 around the edge- but it's unpleasantly claustrophobic. You have to be released from outside. They can't get you out in less than 15mins. It takes an hour and a half, and I'm always desperate for the end.

If they only have "a few hours of oxygen left on board" I can't see how there is any chance of a miracle as they've already reported it'll take hours to get to the sub once it's even been located.

And swimming for 21 miles through the world's busiest shipping lane without a safety team is not a risky adventure? Or is it only okay to enjoy risky adventure if you combine it with a bit of a fundraising?

It's not looking good is it? :-( I hope there have been positive developments that haven't reached the news yet.

People have capacity for empathy towards more than one thing at a time. Swimming the channel is a risky endeavour, but I still find it really sad that this has happened to him and dont find the need to affix blame or say he deserved it as he didnt. Nothing to suggest these men were ignorant to the risks or conversley that they werent mislead on the risks, either way its sad with the evidently needed caveat that all things like this are.

They will have stopped searching because there is no way he can still be alive, and in reality sorry to say it but it hasn't peaked interest in the same way because it happens regularly. This though is highly unusual and a real test for the current capabilities for deep underwater search and rescue, people are more engaged and more interested in stuff they can't comprehend.

It's very clear from interviews with him that he feels far from invincible. The one someone posted earlier on this thread when he talks about how you might die if trapped in the sub is particularly poignant. Incredibly sad. Maybe you should do some reading up before jumping to conclusions.

He had a safety team, in a boat.

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Some people view a risky thing that's been done many times as being less risky.
It's always equally risky, assuming nothing has changed.

The risks may be better known and understood, but unless changes are made they remain the same risks.

I'm thinking of the guy swimming the channel who may have felt it was an endurance feat which he may fail, rather than a still risky activity.

Indeed. See also: people dying on Everest, Mt Kilimanjaro etc

No, the recordings out there are fake.

Has an ROV been down to the site of the wreck yet? If not, why not? Wouldn't that be the most obvious place to look? Genuine question - obviously I'm no expert and don't have a clue about the logistics of these things.

The US military is providing the materiel and the Canadians are providing the base of operations so it's their decision to make.

There are likely to be human remains on or near the wreck, so underwater gravesite isn't hyperbolic.

People who raise money for charity by doing extreme things eg channel crossing, skydive, bungee jumping - also have a choice. They could just as easily sit on a stationary bike and pedal for twenty four hours. People who volunteer to do more extreme sports do it because they want to either overcome their fears or they enjoy the lead up to it or they want to conquer it. The money raised is of tremendous benefit but the ‘goal’ could just as easily be a 50K/100K walk.

I feel sorry for the man of course as every human would. I don’t think one life is more valuable than another.