Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

This is EXACTLY what they will have done. See also, various articles written and ready to go, depending on the outcome. One for it being found and them all dead, one for it being found and they're alive, one for it not being found at all.... etc. Everything is prepared and waiting for the signal.

To keep it brief chapter and verse on that accident is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aaib-report-piper-pa-46-310p-malibu-n264db-21st-january-2019

There was a hell of lot wrong with that whole operation well before Carbon Monoxide came into play....the heater was the final straw...

But how much other countries spend is up to them. There can’t be some world wide rule on how much any country is allowed to spend on looking for missing people, nor can we compare how much countries spend in relation to each other.

Australia spent 6 million dollars rescuing a British sailor in 1997.

It's part of the law of the sea, and just decent human behaviour to try to rescue anyone lost or in trouble in nearby waters.

I saw that interview. I thought the friend who backed out was very respectful and diplomatic. He obviously didn't want to say anything that would have the families of the trapped men imagining anything more horrible than they already were.

I've found myself thinking of the many-years-ago rescue of little Jessica McClure - the toddler who fell down a tiny, narrow well. For nearly three days that poor baby was trapped alone in the dark at the bottom of a deep well. There was a successful rescue her case, but there was he same world interest - everybody was hanging onto every news broadcast.

It was th same horror of loneliness, and dark and confined spaces, too. Awful.

This is ghoulish.

Honestly, some people need to get a perspective.

A 42 year old man has just been lost in the channel swimming for charity and they have stopped searching. That touches my heart more than people paying for a risky adventure where the risk weren't properly assessed.

It's truly horrific and I think the crew wasn't really aware of the high risk involved in this.

Sure, they had to sign a disclaimer, but they probably didn't expect the worst to happen to them.

This submersible had issues during every single descent and it wasn't regulated like for an instance an airplane.

Oh that's awful! Poor man. His poor family.

And I agree with you - even more heartbreaking and lonely a death, and not from a misplaced self-indulgence.

To make billions you need an incredible degree of risk tolerance (and, tbf, a degree of disregard for others).
Hubris made them billionaires, and hubris prompted them to board titan.

I thought the French robot Victor 6000 was searching down there and is capable of attaching a chain from Altlantic Horizon to the Titan, if it finds it.

Generally channel swimmers have a boat with them - was there not one with him? Was it weather conditions? (We've had some terrible storms come on very suddenly.)

The first thing I thought about when I opened my eyes is this terrible disaster.

I hope the search continues, even if just to recover the sub.

I don't know if this is acceptable, but when I consider each of the five men in turn, I feel angry at the complete arrogance of the CEO. He knew that not only were there safety fears over that sub, but that everytime that thing was launched there was a risk of catastrophic consequences beyond an acceptable level. His absolute disrespect and disregard for the lives of the others is astounding.

Diving to that depth in any purpose designed sub obviously entails risk, the worst outcome death. But to use substandard equipment, in little more than a DIY sub, to ignore safety fears, sack people to cover up, take thousands of dollars to invest but fail to invest,....its beyond criminal. His actions are no less than having sealed himself with four innocent men into a metal coffin and sunk himself 4000m to the sea bed. I can't help but feel very angry on behalf of the families of those other men.

Indeed.

Not to derail this thread about Titan, but I can't understand how this could have happened. He had a support boat that should have been along side him all the way in case got into trouble. Where the hell was that? And why didn't they spot that he was struggling earlier and yank him out?

Sadly because they know beyond doubt that he is dead. Also the difficulty of locating the body. They're not always able to recover the bodies in failed channel crossings.

The sound is clear as it has obviously been modified by a computer/ listening devices so that we (the listening audience) can all hear it and the scientists in the lab can identify it. Yes, it was sent to Navy scientists first.

I regularly cross-examine experts including acoustic experts in court.

You’ve got people on this thread excitedly posting how many hours are left so that doesn’t shock me

The Magellan sub is still sitting in the back of the US Air Force carrier on the taxiway at Jersey Airport at the moment. I'm not sure what they're waiting for (although taking 48 hours to get to the search site I sadly don't suppose there's any particular rush for them, as recovery rather than rescue). We'll be able to hear it take off when it goes, we're very close to the airport.

I've already been following the story closely but to unexpectedly drive past the aircraft this morning has brought it very sharply closer to home.

A charity swimmer going missing is no more and no less tragic than the sub going missing

Why must you compare situations like this? And decide which is more worthy of concern/sympathy.

So one of the men has gone down to see the Titanic 37 times? I didn't realise there had been so many journeys down. I guess it explains the ignoring of what seems to us as basic safety standards. As it had been done so many times, they must have just felt safe to do again. The stories of issues arising, and it being okay may have also given them a false sense of security (oh, xyz happened and we came up fine so don't worry - anything goes wrong and we'll abandon).

Heartbreaking.

Our Wives Under The Sea: 'A gothic fairy tale, sublime' – Florence Welch

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But some of this is ghoulish I agree; some the eagerness and the book recommendations. It hasn't descended into mawkishness yet, like some areas of the internet, but it may after time to find them alive has indisputably run out.

My thoughts too.
Incidentally I read somewhere earlier that there aren’t any CO2 scrubbers evident on videos of the interior….
The more I read and hear the more incredulous I become that presumably intelligent people think it wise to believe the hype from the company, get into the submersible without any means of getting out from the interior, let alone pay a small fortune for a trip to possibly oblivion.

OceanGate do need suing into next week. Ironically Stockton Rush's wife, Wendy Rush works for OceanGate as Director of Communications. Not only does she have to deal with the immeasurably grief of losing her husband under these circumstances, she will likely be investigated along with others for the foreseeable.

100% agree.