Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

I agree. I was just responding to the "we should spend as much money as it takes to find these 5 men" comment.

Oh ok fair enough. We definitely don't need to continue searching indefinitely or worse, put other people in danger.

But the immediate cost isn't important when lives are at stake🤷‍♀️

I don’t want to go off piste but with the Sala crash it was fairly obvious from radar traces, weather conditions and examination of the pilot’s credentials (or lack off them) what had probably happened even before the wreckage was recovered. The examination of physical wreckage added more evidence and uncovered a possibly contributory factor….

Actually if you look at the background to that accident (attitude to regulations, safety etc) there are possibly some parallels with the Titan disappearance,

I think it's possible it might last longer in that way, yes, and they will possibly have been conserving oxygen. Difficult to say, but I expect estimates may have been made.

I don't believe those recordings were real.
FAR too clear.

That have to have been faked.

I think it was the carbon monoxide levels rose because of the faulty heater. So finding the wreckage helped provide evidence.

I guess the families will try to fund a search for the wreckage - but that could prove very very difficult. It took them long enough to find the Titanic itself.

Edit..They have to have been faked.
Who released the 'knockings'?.
It's not like it would be a hard sound to create and release for thousands of 'Views' on social media.

It's definitely a worry with how long it took them to find the actual Titanic, considering the sheer scale of that ship. The sub is a tiny tin can in comparison. It's just awful.

No

I read this morning that the French chap Paul-Henri has seen the Titanic 37 times! Obviously not all with OceanGate. Sadly, this has probably led to him feeling 'invincible'.

OG need suing into next week. Yes they signed waivers, but you can't contract yourself out of negligence.

The sort of people that bought snake oil in the Wild West!

IF the tanks are still there.

IF the tanks are full.

IF they are able to access them (there isn't much wiggle room with five adult men in that tiny space.

This seems to be such a reckless disorganised company, none of those things may apply.

I think people are taking a very precise view of the number of hours of air left. In reality it was only ever an estimate of 72-90 hours and it's not clear that was adjusted for the number of occupants. It would also depend on what's going on in the sub, whether there was any damage to systems and the metabolic rate of the occupants. If they got stressed and alarmed - which is entirely reasonable in the circumstances - they could have used up much more oxygen. It's a rare person who can calmly rest till they are saved to conserve energy - especially if they are extremely cold and in distress. And dependent on the method used to scrub the CO2 that would start to poison them after such an extended period.

As we can see from press coverage over the last few days - no experts agree on how likely it is that they have made it this far or what most likely happened. But the vast majority know the most likely outcome even if they are too sensitive to the famillies to say it. A salvage attempt could take whole days not hours - even if they locate Titan.

I think people are taking a very precise view of the number of hours of air left

The Daily Mail has the exact time "it runs out" on its website - 12:08

Me too, it's 99p on kindle ATM

It begs the question how billionaires who presumably are business minded can willingly be bolted into a glorified sardine tin and dumped into the sea with no real emergency back up in the event of something going wrong.
I think I’d sooner take my chances in a barrel going over Niagara Falls.

This sickens me yet I am not one bit surprised.

But how much other countries spend is up to them. There can’t be some world wide rule on how much any country is allowed to spend on looking for missing people, nor can we compare how much countries spend in relation to each other.

You would need a direct comparison to be reasonable, if the same company lost another submersible next year that only had poor people on it and there was no money spent looking for them, then you’d have a point about Canada’s priorities.

That's very precise of them 🤔

@sashh what is it called?

But how much other countries spend is up to them. There can’t be some world wide rule on how much any country is allowed to spend on looking for missing people, nor can we compare how much countries spend in relation to each other

It's a philosophical question - a general question. How much is a life worth? Just raised when a lot of money is spent saving a few lives - but not spent elsewhere saving more lives.

But one for another thread.

At the risk of sounding crass, money makes you feel invincible. There are very few things that you CANNOT buy when you have the kind of money that some of these have.

The Daily Mail has the exact time "it runs out" on its website - 12:08 I can already imagine the article which will be published at 12:09 “time has run out for men trapped in titan sub.” In fact they’ve probably already written it and are just sitting on the publish button.

It would take around a total of 8 hours once the sub is located, for a rescue submersible to be deployed, reach them (providing it's on the sea bed) and bring them back to the surface.

@stealtheatingtunnocks @MayThe4th

twitter.com/marionawfal

His twitter stream has ended but he's been broadcasting for 8hrs - he did say about 10 mins before it ended that they were running short of time - either he needed a break or there is a limit to how long the broadcasts can be - you can still go back to the beginning of the broadcast and listen but I'd say the last hour or so is well worth listening to.

I believe it’s the inevitable- they are gone or will be gone soon. I really hope it wasn’t painful and traumatic rather a quick end like an explosion. Whatever their social/financial status was it’s a horrible way to go and the family will have to live through all the the ‘what ifs’ and ‘why didn’t I stop this’ for a long time to come.

Up until yesterday the reporting was focussed more on the rescue efforts however today with the oxygen deemed to run out I would hazard a guess it would turn rather ghoulish with a countdown etc. I think it’s best for me to stop following this story as it’s unlikely to have a positive end. Only solace I suppose for the men is that they went doing something they love? But I cannot come to terms with the poor 19 year old who probably was there because if his dad.