Page 25 | Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

Badabingbadaboomm · 2023-06-21T18:00:12+00:00

OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread. I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

whumpthereitis · 22/06/2023 08:19

And they have to coordinate efforts, accepting any and all help can easily result in an absolute mess of confusion (and who knows, if they’re lucky they’ll get Paul Gascoigne turning up wielding a snorkel). Sometimes help is detrimental.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 22/06/2023 08:20

I too woke up numerous times and checked holding out it had been found.

Such a shame :( it's the teenager I really feel for.

CrunchyCarrot · 22/06/2023 08:20

My feeling is that the search would continue (probably at a reduced rate) in order to find and retrieve the sub, somehow. There could be very useful information on board as to what happened, also the occupants may have left messages for loved ones if they had phones, or even pen and paper.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 22/06/2023 08:21

CrunchyCarrot · 22/06/2023 08:20

My feeling is that the search would continue (probably at a reduced rate) in order to find and retrieve the sub, somehow. There could be very useful information on board as to what happened, also the occupants may have left messages for loved ones if they had phones, or even pen and paper.

But they don't even know if the sub is there. It could have been crushed

FernGully43 · 22/06/2023 08:23

Seeing no news upon waking this morning, it really is too late now I think. Even if they found it, they wouldn't be able to bring it up on time assuming the oxygen supply is correct.

I think they'll continue to search but change the wording from rescue to recovery. How horribly sad for the 5 men. Hopefully the assumptions were wrong, it wasn't them banging, and they died on Sunday due to implosion.

SunshinyDay1 · 22/06/2023 08:23

Such ashame precious hours lost in search.
Hopefully at least something can see if it's down there or not detect it today.

I'm thinking the strong currents could have moved it miles away.

whumpthereitis · 22/06/2023 08:25

Soloparenthelp · 22/06/2023 08:16

Yet they’ve just had permission to send the equipment so one would assume it is required after all…

Sure, that could be because it has been judged to be more useful in the recovery stage, now that the urgent rescue stage is passing. We don’t have the information required to say definitively yet one way or another, any ‘could have/would have/should have’ will become evident in time.

notimagain · 22/06/2023 08:25

@CrunchyCarrot

I can't see it being an open ended search TBH..

"There could be very useful information on board as to what happened, "

True but the info would have very limited application or relevance to other vessels. This isn't like the loss of a commercial aircraft or a passenger carrying ship, where there might be lots of sister aircraft/vessels and you really need to know what happened to prevent future accidents.

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 08:30

The recording of the bangs is truly haunting. I think that will stay with me. Just the sheer lack of knowledge as to if it could be them, desperately trying to alert us that they're still alive, or the titanic shifting, which is just so eery.

CrunchyCarrot · 22/06/2023 08:32

But they don't even know if the sub is there. It could have been crushed

Yes, it's a possibility. Depends how much credence is being given to the 'banging' that has been heard. If it's thought there is a real possibility that's coming from Titan, then it is likely still intact.

True but the info would have very limited application or relevance to other vessels.

When did that ever stop people looking? If someone throws money at it, a search will continue.

SheilaFentiman · 22/06/2023 08:32

whumpthereitis · 22/06/2023 08:25

Sure, that could be because it has been judged to be more useful in the recovery stage, now that the urgent rescue stage is passing. We don’t have the information required to say definitively yet one way or another, any ‘could have/would have/should have’ will become evident in time.

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Exactly - and if there are lessons to be learned in eg fast tracking permissions then they will be dissected in the report.

Not sure what powers the Magellan, for example, but it may be that the batteries in it would be particularly dangerous if they exploded whilst in a plane’s cargo.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 22/06/2023 08:34

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 08:30

The recording of the bangs is truly haunting. I think that will stay with me. Just the sheer lack of knowledge as to if it could be them, desperately trying to alert us that they're still alive, or the titanic shifting, which is just so eery.

I think it was them banging. You're told in a survival situation to do three quick bangs, pause, three quick bangs, pause etc. Something to do with the rescuers will be able to hear the pattern and know there's people there.
I couldn't listen to the whole recording (the fact it's all over tiktok boils my piss) so maybe I'm wrong but the bit I did hear sounded like three bangs.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 22/06/2023 08:35

Was that recording actually real?

BalanceMeHumours · 22/06/2023 08:36

I don't think it could be. Certainly Twitter has a warning on it re it not being real.

NeedleFeltedFox · 22/06/2023 08:40

whumpthereitis · 22/06/2023 07:40

‘All that money could have gone to good use such as finding cures for cancer’

A quick google would have told you how their money has been put ‘to good use’

“Harding has been involved in numerous charitable organizations, including the United Nations World Food Programme, the International Rescue Committee, and the World Health Organization. He has also been involved in a number of local initiatives, such as providing meals to the homeless in his hometown of London.

Harding has been a major supporter of the Global Fund for Children, a nonprofit organization that works to improve the lives of children in developing countries. He has also been a major contributor to the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), providing resources and support to children in need.
Harding has also been a major supporter of the World Food Programme, providing food and nutrition to people in need. He has also been involved in a number of initiatives to provide clean water and sanitation to those in need.

Harding has also been a major supporter of the International Rescue Committee, providing assistance to refugees and those affected by conflict and natural disasters. He has also been involved in a number of initiatives to provide education and job opportunities to those in need.
Harding has also been a major supporter of the World Health Organization, providing resources and support to those in need of medical care. He has also been involved in a number of initiatives to improve healthcare access in developing countries.

Harding has also been a major supporter of the Global Fund for Women, providing resources and support to women in need. He has also been involved in a number of initiatives to improve the rights of women and girls around the world.
Harding’s philanthropic work has been recognized and praised by numerous organizations and individuals, including the United Nations, the World Bank, and the World Health Organization. He has been honored with numerous awards, including the World Food Programme’s Humanitarian of the Year Award in 2016.”

And then there’s the Dawoods:
https://www.dawoodfoundation.org/

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It doesn’t matter how much money the billionaires donated or how much of their time they gave to these causes - it will never be enough for these people.

notimagain · 22/06/2023 08:42

@CrunchyCarrot

”True but the info would have very limited application or relevance to other vessels.

When did that ever stop people looking? If someone throws money at it, a search will continue.”

Not denying that and if the family/others want to fund a continued search that is completely understandable.

OTOH it should be fairly obvious that given the nature of the vessel and operation there’s pretty much safety case or safety reason for the maritime equivalent of the NTSB or the UK AAIB or whoever to fund continued searching for a lengthy period of time….

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 08:43

Gosh. If it was really them banging, my heart breaks 😔

Jazzappledelish · 22/06/2023 08:45

I find the title of this thread really disrespectful.

missally · 22/06/2023 08:46

Jazzappledelish · 22/06/2023 08:45

I find the title of this thread really disrespectful.

What would you have called it?

larkstar · 22/06/2023 08:47

This is the most interesting and informative source of news that I've found - a live twitter audio stream. Some very knowledgeable people have contributed this morning...

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1rmxPkYXAmbJN

e.g. A P3 pilot with 14 years experience of submarine hunting, a deep sea researcher currently in the Atlantic trying to recover a meteorite that crashed into the ocean in 2014, etc. So far the view is that there was a catastrophic implosion, one person who had had a 5 year battle with Oceangate over the potential reputational damage a mission failure would cause to the industry, has said he's had conversations with others in the industry that suggest the mission was aborted after 90 mins and that the implosion may have happened while attempting to surface. The role of cyclic stress and the brittle failure mechanism of carbon fibre reinforced polymer have been much discussed - the problems Boing and Airbus have had with the 787 and the A380 have also been discussed. Even if the vessel was intact and found now the view is that it is already too late to effect a rescue. Tune in - there's a lot of interesting discussion going on. The BBC is far too slow to verify information before deciding to broadcast... but I understand the ethical issues.

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1rmxPkYXAmbJN

notimagain · 22/06/2023 08:48

@CrunchyCarrot

For clarity that should have been “there’s pretty much zero safety case or safety reason..”

Heytheredeliah · 22/06/2023 08:48

Mumto1boyo · 22/06/2023 07:13

Roll your eyes all you want. All that money could have gone to good use such as finding cures for cancer and other diseases.

One of the men has seen the wreck 37 times....what was he expecting to see this time? Of course best case scenario they are rescued and safe. Worst case it was an instant death.

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@Mumto1boyo I hope they spend all the money they need to to find those poor men trapped in that submersible. It is perfectly acceptable to spend all that money on finding them and saving their lives. Not that their wealth is relevant but imagine how much tax they have paid over the years. Tax that goes to funding people like you giving birth using the NHS. You didn't deny that did you? No didn't think so. Show some consideration to those men.

Jazzappledelish · 22/06/2023 08:49

missally · 22/06/2023 08:46

What would you have called it?

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I wouldn’t have out an exclamation mark at the end of it. Like we’re talking about a celebrity indiscretion

larkstar · 22/06/2023 08:51

The P3 pilot does not believe the sonar buoys that have been dropped would be able to detect the banging from the Oceangate if it were on the sea bed... and if it were at the surface he is sure the P3 would have found it.

CrunchyCarrot · 22/06/2023 08:53

notimagain · 22/06/2023 08:48

@CrunchyCarrot

For clarity that should have been “there’s pretty much zero safety case or safety reason..”

Yes it would be harzardous for sure. I was just thinking about the footballer who died in a small plane crash - Emiliano Sala. Plane just disappeared off the radar. The plane was only found by a shipwreck salvager who went looking for it (admittedly very shallow water compared to where the Titanic is!!) and found it plus Sala's body, which enabled forensics to be done and cause of death and crash established. Otherwise the plane might have never been located at all.

For anyone interested:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63172547