Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

Someone upthread described it as like something one may make in DT class at school, it’s just so amateurish to my (admittedly far from expert!) eye. It’s horrific, so claustrophobic. How scared they must be.

"That death trap should have never been allowed to go to sea, regardless of how motivated, wealthy or silly its creators or passengers were."

There is not evidence that there has been a failure of the craft that has caused death.

See if I got the opportunity to go deep sea diving (in a more conventionally built craft admittedly) I'd love to go. Recent exploration of the sea bed has led to the discovery of so many species new to science and work on the ecosystems down there urgently needs doing. We have no real understanding of how what's going on above (global warming, ocean warming, pollution etc) affects deep sea life and now there are proposals to introduce mining we need that knowledge.

Sounds true. There was an expert (who knows Hamish Harding and Paul-Henry Nargeolet very well) and he said that as soon as they realised there was a problem, they would have immediately started trying to conserve oxygen so it may well last longer than predicted.

By contrast, the two Irish men Roger Mallinson and Roger Chapman who were rescued from their sub with only 12 mins of oxygen left said that their systems showed 20 mins left (but subsequent testing proved it was only 12 mins).

The Titan crew will be very familiar with the 12 mins of oxygen left rescue and I'm sure doing everything they can to hold on as long as possible as they will know rescue attempts will be underway. Sadly it may well turn into recovery rather than rescue but the 12 mins shows just how very close it might get. Those poor souls, I hope they make it.

Yes I do.

It would be bigger, heavier, more expensive if they could stand up in it.

They were incredibly stupid to go down there but I sincerely do hope they are rescued (even though I know it's not going to happen). I wouldn't wish that type of death on anyone and it's especially awful for the 19 year old and his Mum. I've felt sick and anxious all day thinking about this and I don't even know them.

How long was the trip supposed to be?

I find the pondering on morse code interesting. Any purposeful banging is going to be investigated, whether they know official signals or not.

In my case I'm able to tap out SOS or OSO could be either very reliably despite no training.

8 hrs

Less than a day.
2 hours down, perhaps 4 hours to observe, 2 hours back.

Kursk is on BBC iplayer if anyone wishes to watch it.

That 19 year old lad isn't much older than many of our kids is he, he's still so young, I can't stop thinking about the poor lad.

Here it is.

This submersible takes passengers to The Titanic wreck. Climb in! - YouTube

Ah that's the one I saw yesterday, and couldn't find again. Thanks for that.

At risk of setting off another bunfight about the science, when he talks about ticket prices enabling reef formation and metal decay to be studied over time, has anyone seen any evidence that OceanGate were performing any organised longitudinal study along those lines? I mean, the vessel isn't equipped to take samples or anything is it? But presumably it could take measurements (or not?) and observations. So have the published any interim findings? Or is that claim a figleaf?

I heard the CEO described as a "blue blood" yesterday and obviously it's a passion project. I'm just trying to get an understanding of whether there was anything being conducted in these dives that was organised, publishable science, or whether it was more "popular science" for the masses.

That's a valid point and one that hasn't been raised.

I feel terribly ghoulish searching for updates.

I have a 19-year-old. Cannot imagine any situation where I would take him down with me to the depths of the ocean, after first signing a death waiver. Yes, yes, he is an adult etc etc. My 19-year-old is still often guided by me.

This is so true. You read these things when you've already decided to do something. I wonder how many people change their minds upon reading them? I don't think I am going to go blind when I get botox but It's written in the small print as a possibility. Same with medication and such things. People do their own research (like the man who pulled out having paid a deposit) which potentially changes their minds more than the disclaimers. It sounds as if (despite being a cowboy-ish company, which I definitely agree with!) their disclaimers were quite thorough.

At least the Carpathia responded, unlike other vessels that ignored the radio messages about the situation, the fact they arrived late was to do with geography, nothing else. Had the Californian responded many would have been saved.

Wasn't it said that the Thai boys in the cave conserved oxygen by meditation and slowing their breathing rate down? I don't think they knew they were conserving oxygen the coach was teaching them mediation to keep them calm I think.
So potentially they may know this and have been deliberately trying to conserve their oxygen?

That's very true @doingitalllagain . I must have signed several waivers, though now can't recall the latest.

If the craft is structurally fine but lacks beacons, radio contact, sufficient escape contingencies, does that still count as a "death trap" or not? It was known that getting trapped under wreckage was a risk.

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Communications - what a laugh - was lost within an hour and a half. They are bolted into the submersible.

During the rescue of the supposedly remaining19 men in the Kursk submarine there was banging in the form of SOS detected. So many attempts were made to rescue them, but it did fail, sadly.

Uninformed? I've not posted anything as a statement of fact, but expressed my feelings as everyone else has done. I also don't see what's wrong with imagining what the occupants might be feeling; in fact, I can't help it, it's been plaguing my mind all day. If you don't like the idea of people discussing a major news event and emotionally upsetting incident, don't read.

I'm sure it was said yesterday that the CEO does know such techniques for conserving oxygen and it was speculated that he will be teaching it to the others, if they're alive.