Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

[YoSof]

I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

Oh that makes sense. When the reports were saying they heard noises every 30 minutes I was wondering if that meant one bang only and was a bit confused by it.

Well that makes sense, and is encouraging at least

No, I'll post them again for you. 😊

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-submersible-documents-reveal-multiple-concerns-raised-over-safety-of-vessel

It's encouraging that the sounds could imply there is still life in the submersible.. but also absolutely gut wrenching that the time is dwindling, and they are potentially still alive.

The scenario most feared is that the vessel suffered a catastrophic failure. At such depth, a hull breach would be devastating. “If something’s gone wrong, there’s a good chance it’s gone very wrong,” said Williams. “If the pressure vessel has failed catastrophically, it’s like a small bomb going off. The potential is that all the safety devices might be destroyed in the process.”
Such a fate would probably trigger signals in military hydrophones that are deployed throughout the world’s oceans. When an Argentine submarine was lost in 2017, hydrophones off Ascension Island and the Crozet Islands detected an acoustic signal consistent with a catastrophic failure of the submarine.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/20/missing-titanic-submarine-best-and-worst-case-scenarios

interesting, suggests it hasn't imploded/exploded

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oceangate-titan-safety-quality-employee-fired-b2361289.html

I'm not sure there are any parallels between the two...

In an airliner at any sort of altitude true, you can't open the doors, but would you want to?

OTOH in the event of an incident in flight you'll hopefully end on the surface, at ground level, and then you open the doors from inside.

@Florissante "It's also fascinating in a cliffhanger way: will they survive? Won't they? Will they be found in time?

If we knew what the situation was, there would be relatively little interest but the possibility of the outcome is intriguing."

Exactly, it's the hope that they might be ok.

One of the Thai Cave boys recently passed away while at uni in Leicester. The news coverage of his actual death vs his potential death is vastly different.

Oh that's sad. You're right I hadn't heard about it.

@FuckTheLemonsandBail you really don't have to be so angry in your tone.

At no point was I judging him. I said that I don't know what to think of that. Meaning it's an open thought. Who made you thread police? You are allowed to speculate but am not?

Honestly this thread has echos of the Nicola Bulley threads.

interesting perspective from director James Cameron on his motivation to do deep sea exploration. (it does sound like money plus boredom to be honest)
He's been to the bottom of the Mariana Trench which is much deeper than Titanic. I wonder if the tech he's used on those 33 journeys (WTF?!) can be used here in some way? I'm assuming the submersibles he used were higher tech than this thing.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/20/entertainment/james-cameron-titanic-wreckage/index.html

It's a desperate situation, because if they're really deep and still alive I don't see what anyone can do to bring them to the surface. There is another sub there now that can reach that depth, so if they can be located then I guess it could possibly disentangle them, if they're tangled up in something. But other than that? They're so deep it's not like a rescue mission can be deployed. That sub has to be raised from the depths and I haven't heard anyone say that that's possible. I really feel for the mother of that 19-year-old boy

They do have the equipment to raise them in the area now, the problem is finding them.

also, thinking about the weather: the trip was delayed and postponed as they were waiting on those rare weather opportunities to launch. This means that any rescue type mission will also be restricted by weather.
If it's really unsafe weather wise, they can't do it. Imagine if the rescue sub lost contact too?

😂

I imagine there is tech and stuff that could be done - if they had several weeks/months or years to plan and gather. In the very short window they've had, no.

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet thanks, I read that. See concerns were raised in 2018, see replies not given.

While the vessel was designed to operate down to 4,000 metres, and would have had a safety margin to go deeper, industry experts said other deep-sea vessels used steel or titanium alone to ensure their hulls could take the pressure. Carbon fibre is widely regarded as an untested material: when it fails, it can fail catastrophically.

worrying, but not evidence of non testing

What checks were performed before the submersible and its five occupants slipped beneath the waves are unclear, but standard checks and procedures were followed, the Guardian understands.

Non of this definitive in my book.

An incredibly risky environment no matter the integrity of the vessel.

The Titanic itself is a hazardous structure that a submersible could become caught in, but lost trawler fishing nets and other drifting materials either at or near the site can also present a danger of entanglement. An expedition would typically plan to keep a safe distance from the wreckage, though strong undersea currents can make this a challenge. The problem with getting entangled is there is often little that can be done from inside a submersible to work the vessel free

I didn't catch the Norse Code typo so now I understand your post, @TokyoStories. Very clever!

I've just noticed your ´useful' tag @SophiaElizabethGrace I've been an active poster on both these threads thanks

Nor am I.

Any monies repaid will go to the aid of other people lost/ trapped at sea. This will be a massive chunk of the rescue services' budget.

TBH, even if the rescue is unsuccessful, it would be a wonderful gesture if the families offered a donation to the services anyway.

I do believe the ROV's they have on site have some kind of connection to their control vessel.

When them engineer was sacked, he raised concerns about the pressure, particularly on a carbon fibre body. Ocean Gate apparently told him there was literally no equipment available for such testing, although that's been routine with subs for many years. Also, the viewing port was only made for pressures of 1,300 metres, not 4,000.

Also, on their last trip they collided with the wreck itself and damaged the sub. They repaired the carbon fibre body, but still didn't test before putting back in the water.

Under 24hrs of oxygen left now. I feel sick 😔

a gun available so they can end things quickly for themselves

A gun would be totally impractical. The ricochet from a shot in such a confined space could severely and painfully injure any or all of the others, rendering them not only unable to take their own lives (if they wished to), but leaving them in agony, bleeding, and with no chance of rescue. So if one person wanted to end their own life, but others didn't, they would still be affected.

What if one person has access to a gun, knows how much oxygen is left for 5 people and starts trying to think of ways to buy themselves more time.....