Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

[YoSof]

I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

You can't open a hatch underwater if it opens outwards.
Even if you can open it from the outside.

Just as you can't open a door underwater if you have air in the car.

Pressure.

Yes it will be costly but it will also be a benefit to the various Navy and Coast Guard services. You wouldn't do something like this on an exercise but there will be a lot of experience gained that can be put to good use in other rescues.

Yes, I am referring to Robinson. It's not even the precarious situation that his name is being mentioned, it's more about the submersible itself which is very much a 'Heath Robinson contraption' - Robinson was the creator of weird mechanical devices and strange gadgets, usually held together with knotted string.

The phrase 'Heath Robinson contraption' even gained dictionary recognition in 1912.

I hope this clarifies things.

This story has been the only thing on my mind for the past few days, it is like a real life horror story. I can't imagine what these people are going through whilst we are sat in the comfort of our own homes.
I'm praying they get found today. Although I read on the bbc website yesterday that the chances of them surviving if they are on the sea bed is as little as 1%, as an expert said the equipment required to bring them up simply does not exist.

Did you feel like this about the migrants on the Greek vessel? If not, perhaps ask yourself why. Always good to be curious about your thinking.

How on earth will it be of cost effective benefit? Its not as though its going to be happening again any time soon.

As an aside - the media reaction and public interest is probably similar to what happened with Apollo 13. I can imagine what social media would have been like.

At least though they had radio communication. But they were in a place where no one could rescue them.

@Willmafrockfit , experienced in what, though? How to escape safely from a submersible stuck in the vast freezing depths of the North Atlantic?
No, thought not.

Fair enough!

darkmodeon · Today 08:24

^ - - Does this perhaps indicate the sun is not actually that deep? - -

No they have equipment that can hear deep

The reporting on this is poor, it's not the plane which can hear the noise. Floating buoys with hydrophones have picked the up the noises and relayed that to the plane.

I didn't say cost effective.

No the exact same thing will not happen again soon, but the skills learned are not going to be useless are they? They are cooperating in a way they have never done before and that is useful experience that can be applied in other situations.

Yeah, it all sounds very impressive technology.

@Tremel you never know what experience can help in other areas. The life saving interventions which have sprung from war and used in peace. It's possible there will benefits for the average person. Who knows, the sub may be at the surface just difficult to locate with no contact. Working out how to locate a lost overcrowded small vessel with no communication and the passengers unable to summon help may help with the next migrant crossing crisis.

You cant simply not try 'because they are rich and knew the risks' that's as unethical as failing to help the migrants crossing because they are 'poor so don't matter'. Neither is acceptable, and I'm sure I read that there were investigations into why more help was not offered to the last migrant ship that sunk, hopefully anyone at fault will be prosecuted.

Then there will be the international bragging rights if a rescue can be pulled off. Nations are always trying to one up on each other, first on the moon, first to the bottom on the ocean, best able to pull of a thunderbirds type impossible rescue mission.

And yes, tons more coverage on this than any of the migrant disasters, but surely that is because most of the migrant shipping disasters are over fairly quickly. The boats are sunk before the news gets out, there is no media build because there simply is not time.

Did you feel like this about the migrants on the Greek vessel? If not, perhaps ask yourself why. Always good to be curious about your thinking.

I think questioning how we all feel about the multiple migrant sea disasters we see is always worthwhile. But I also don't think it is quite as clear cut as poor = no interest, rich = interest. A factor here is the unusual circumstance. As it was with the Thai football team in the caves. As it was with the Chilean miners.

Sinking is awful. Sinking while rescue boats circle you but don't help (if that's what happened) is even worse. But it's not unique, tragically.

It's never really occurred to me that a method of death might be a small can 4000km down, in cramped conditions and with 4 other people. That particular circumstance combines an aspect of being buried alive that, for many, is a bit of a phobia. Just as it was with the boys in the cave. Just as it was with the miners underground. I think that is part of the reason for the increased interest.

Plus, it's the Titanic (a martime distaster in itself in which people do reflect on the experience of the poor vs the rich on board) and the Titanic always attracts additonal attention.

Plus, the news is pushing it - the more info is given, the more people will be interested.

Plus, it's billionaires, and I don't doubt that is part of it. But it's not the whole.

I have to agree. It is a terrible thing to happen, but terrible things happen to people on a regular basis and I don't see numerous threads on MN with people wringing their hands over them.

Yes I did and I stand by it.

They are very close to running out of oxygen. If they find it on the ocean floor, they can’t recover it.

If they find it on the surface, they don’t think have enough time to get it back to the mothership where the tool is to release them all.

Of course I was hoping they would be found and rescued, but at this stage an instant death is the least worst outcome. The reports of them banging and still being conscious/alive is beyond awful when there is so little chance of rescue now. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

The more I read about the "Adventure company" the more shoddy they seem sadly.

If they are on the bottom of the sea bed, and if by some miracle they are located, how is the rescue mission actually going to lift the vessel off the seabed and winch it several miles to the surface? You can't send a diver down to secure chains/ropes and cable to secure it around the vessel and then winch it to the surface.

Apparently there are only two vessels in the World with equipment that would potentially reach down that far as well.

Start one yourself then?

Oh yosof that’s not good. I was hoping they would be found on the surface and that would be enough time

Oh be quiet. The migrant boat sank just like lots of boats do. This is on the news because it’s still ongoing and it’s a unique event with a sub lost by the flipping titanic. Use your brain.

There's equipment on it's way according to the mail - but it will take 15 hours to get there and will be last minute attempt.

Ironic.

I am not autistic but I agree with your DC.

I am very interested in Titanic (at college, as an adult, I took GCSE English as my CSE English was an abysmal grade Anyway, for part of it, we had to talk to the class of an interest of ours and they would ask us questions. I spoke of Titanic.
To cut a long story shorter, I got a Grade A. I am so proud of that achievement.
B for the coursework.

I wanted to see Titanic but am happier watching videos on YouTube.
No way would I go to the bottom of the ocean, or to Outer Space for that matter.

Echo the comments about the bolting of the hatch. It will clearly be possible to make the bolts much tighter with heavy machinery from the outside than with any hand tools that could be used inside.

The risk of a poorly tightened bolt failing under massive sea pressures is a higher probability than a situation where the submersible has returned to the surface, in such an orientation that the hatch can be safely opened, with at least one person conscious and able to open it, but without the submersible being detectable by sea rescue who could otherwise find it and open the hatch.

Risks are usually a trade off rather than being possible to make zero.