Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

I'd be cautious, even sceptical about "banging" being heard unless/until we hear further directly from the likes of the US coastguard or the Canadians (see previous posts).

From what I've read, it's the US who is providing rescue materiel using Canada as a base. I can understand military interest in this operation from operations and intelligence perspectives.

So it's fine for people on Twotter to drag up dirt on the guys stepson, but not OK to say you think this rescue mission is a shocking waste of money and resources.

Maybe the step son doesn't give a shit about his step dad. Seems harsh and callous of him but that's his business.

Not even the most basic safety measures taken. No ability for the sub to send a distress signal, no way for the passengers to get themselves free (wouldn't it make sense for them to seal themselves in? Even if it was still with bolts from the inside? ) it's not even painted a bright colour so it's easy to spot if it ascended and is floating somewhere.

Yes I am also fascinated, and have watched many documentaries about climbers in extreme regions. Watched one in the past year that documented a family of climbers, they were all very skilled, the mother died on K2, I think, and later her son died on another mountain. His body is still up there, hanging from a rope, along with his climbing companion. They will never be brought down, just too high up and dangerous. That sort of person seems driven to keep going until something happens.

Excuse me but please check your facts, I have not stated this is a waste of money and resources! And what other people drag up is not my responsibility either. It was linked to reports on the sub, and had been on the news last night about him attending the concert. I was only replying to someone else.

Also, in the depths of the ocean, it's very quiet, unlike on a sea shore, with waves breaking etc.
there are currents down there, the titanic itself will make noise as it moves.

The media are utterly irresponsible to have reported this as “banging” when the coastguard have confirmed that it is “underwater noise”. Entirely different.

I agree.

But I also wish humanity wasn't driven to push the limits of everything, often to its (and our) detriment

But without people who do push limits - where would we be?

Think of the first people to cross the Atlantic by boat?
To go into space
To walk on the Moon

The enzyme used in PCR tests is TAQ polymerase - Thermas Aquaticus Polymerase. It's found in deep sea vents as the bacteria can survive at such unusually warm conditions. This means it can be used at high temperatures and has proved incredibly useful for biochemistry. That was found by pushing the limits of what we could do by deep sea research.

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · Today 07:53

Is the banging likely to be them actually banging or some other sonar phenomenon from the vessel? Sorry if stupid question!

It's not a stupid question, not many people have any idea about the practicalities of sonar equipment. Any beacon, or other sonar device will operate at a defined frequency of sound, for a particular length of time; it may emit several pings over a specific time.

This will sound very different to someone banging.

It will also be different to the sounds of the wreck settling.

On a typical marine survey, we deploy a sparker, (loud, low frequency) a chirp, (medium frequency, just audible to the human ear) a side scan sonar, operating at high and very high frequency. All three have high frequency positioning beacons and we also use a single beam (high frequency) echo sounder and a multibeam echo sounder (high frequency).

All of these operate simultaneously. If, as the navy expert says, you can't discern one sound from another, we wouldn't be able to operate like that, never mind have a passive hydrophone receiver, to listen for whales and dolphins.

I’m not sure where you got that from. I think @BreadInCaptivity made some very rational points.

I hope they are found and rescued. I have faith in humanity that the billionaires would donate money and become very philanthropic as gratitude for their rescue.

Aside from that, I have no issue with money being spent on rescue, I'm sure the authorities are learning a lot, it's not everyday they try to search for and rescue at these depths, it will be very useful knowledge to have.

@Caterpillor

I have no issue with money being spent on rescue, I'm sure the authorities are learning a lot,

Agreed, and given some of the assets involved such as aircraft/ships would be flying/sailing anyway (for pure training purpose) I'm not sure how much extra any rescue/recovery attempt actually adds to the various coastguard and military budgets.

I get that.

I think there are limits and limits...

The first to do someone is one limit. Pioneers really trying to discover our world.

How many people can then follow them, with little regard to the impact of them doing so and little serious interest in further human knowledge. That's a different limit - and the one that frustrates me. No one looking at Everest (for eg) today would say that it's a good thing that you can pay £50,000 and be almost guaranteed a walk to the top, with someone telling you where to place your feet, someone carrying your luggage and litres of oxygen to help you get there, throwing litter as you go so that it doesn't have to be carried back down again.

I'm so hoping that navy guy was wrong then. 🙏

Did the migrants drowning at sea get this kind of rescue effort and dedicated news channel? No they certainly did not, but screw them, they are poor. All the posters fawningly talking about the importance of the "research and development" as if this wasn't just a few rich, deadened thrill seekers wanting to do something no ordinary person could ever afford to do.

This post has got to be a joke, right?

Because if not that’s possibly the most barking thing I’ve ever read on MN. And that’s saying something.

Hoping for a miracle like everyone else but realistically those poor 5 souls are lost.

I assumed it was a joke

It was a joke. Made me snort any way.

The latest from a former submarine commander on Sky News Canberra...

The nature of how the half hourly banging was detected means the sub is likely to be near the surface.

Separately, a spotter plane saw a pale grey box floating near the surface of the ocean, similar in appearance to Titan, but was called away to the ship that detected the noise, to help investigate further.

I really hope it's near the surface. I really feel for those poor souls trapped in that tin can made by that cowboy company.

No they have equipment that can hear deep

they are all experienced, apart from the 19 year old
such a worry for him

I have gnawing anxiety stomach pangs thinking about the mother and the sister of the 19 year old. I can’t imagine the anguish they must be feeling.

Has the CEO spoken out at all? I've seen clips of him talking about building the submarine and can't believe he got some of submarine parts from what is essentially B&Q and it's being controlled by a done up XBOX controller, it sounds like a DT project I would have done in school