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AlisonDonut · 16/06/2023 14:03

There is a reason that the police and CPS don't want to prosecute rapists, and alot of the time they don't want to put the rapists' future careers in jeopardy so don't proceed with cases.

The fact that the women and girls loves have been blasted apart never crosses their minds. All they see is a man and his potential.

Usernamenotavailab · 16/06/2023 14:08

The IOPC is not police.

it is independent of police, the point is a non police body to investigate police issues.

a Condition of the job is to never have worked in the police.

BodegaSushi · 16/06/2023 14:09

MachinesOfGod · 16/06/2023 10:21

ACAB.

I said this here a couple years ago and it was like I'd committed treason.

And yet here we go again with the trash💁🏽‍♀️

ChateauMargaux · 16/06/2023 14:11

I believe you @coffeedrinkers

SamphireSandwich · 16/06/2023 14:12

Seas164 · 16/06/2023 10:08

Rotten to the very core.

What I came here to say…..

justiceandtruth · 16/06/2023 14:14

Lockwood is zero surprise. He actively covered up for a chief constable accused of the same and IOPC actively refused to investigate allegations prior to Sarah Everard. I was one of the few that made allegations prior to Everard and have been put through hell by the lot of them. There is still far more about this to come out.

Iwasafool · 16/06/2023 14:14

Clymene · 16/06/2023 10:06

Michael Lockwood.

Fucking hell, the police are riddled with these allegedly rapey men

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He wasn't a police officer, he was a civil servant from what I can see. Doesn't mean what he did wasn't wrong but I don't think it is fair to blame the police service for this one.

Ihateboris · 16/06/2023 14:14

coffeedrinkers · 16/06/2023 12:58

Wow you've made that sound so simple... poor men. Not how it's been at all In my case.
To break it down because I can't be fucked with this bullshit any longer. I walk in to a police station. Covered in bruises and evidence (I'll let you use your imagination) and tell my side. A rapist is questioned (not arrested just questioned for some bizarre reason but whatever) All he has to say for himself is'She likes it rough.. that's why she looks like she's been assaulted'!
Case fucking closed! The police couldn't have given less of a shit and today I find out the man in charge of holding them accountable is also a sex offender! But your right its probably a misunderstanding.
Except it happens all the time!! Stop pretending it doesn't!!

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Just wanted to say I'm so fucking angry on your behalf, and so sorry this happened to you x

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Clymene · 16/06/2023 14:21

I am aware he wasn't a police officer @Iwasafool
He was responsible for investigating the police, many of whom we know are rapists.

OP posts:

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Clymene · 16/06/2023 14:22

And I'm so sorry @coffeedrinkers

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Florissante · 16/06/2023 14:25

Iwasafool · 16/06/2023 14:14

He wasn't a police officer, he was a civil servant from what I can see. Doesn't mean what he did wasn't wrong but I don't think it is fair to blame the police service for this one.

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Good point.

coffeedrinkers · 16/06/2023 14:29

@Ihateboris Thankyou. Thankfully I'm no longer a teenager that the police or anyone can fob off. I grew up got a lawyer and I will not stop until I get justice against him and the police.

Felix125 · 16/06/2023 14:31

coffeedrinkers

That is absolutely horrible what happened to you.
How long ago was this - as things happen a lot differently now where we are.

Ihateboris · 16/06/2023 14:32

coffeedrinkers · 16/06/2023 14:29

@Ihateboris Thankyou. Thankfully I'm no longer a teenager that the police or anyone can fob off. I grew up got a lawyer and I will not stop until I get justice against him and the police.

Good for you, and good luck. X

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/06/2023 14:33

I can't believe the level of apologism and minimising on this thread. I expect it from @Felix125 god knows the Feminism board could do with a rest from his constant mansplaining police misconduct.

But this was a WATCHDOG for what is turning out to be a rotten institution full of misogyny and hatred. I mean we all knew about the endemic racism and domestic violence but the rape culture was a bit of a shock.

And there's o way the CPS would touch this unless it was pretty rock solid, I'm sorry. Of course that doesn't mean he won't get off, they normally do.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 16/06/2023 14:33

MachinesOfGod · 16/06/2023 10:21

ACAB.

what does ACAB mean? All Coppers Are Bent?

Brefugee · 16/06/2023 14:34

I. Don't. Trust. The. Police.

If they're not in it up to their eyeballs, they're not reporting it. They are complicit at this stage if they are not reporting every dodgy comment, joke, WhatsApp message or whatever.

SamphireSandwich · 16/06/2023 14:34

coffeedrinkers · 16/06/2023 12:58

Wow you've made that sound so simple... poor men. Not how it's been at all In my case.
To break it down because I can't be fucked with this bullshit any longer. I walk in to a police station. Covered in bruises and evidence (I'll let you use your imagination) and tell my side. A rapist is questioned (not arrested just questioned for some bizarre reason but whatever) All he has to say for himself is'She likes it rough.. that's why she looks like she's been assaulted'!
Case fucking closed! The police couldn't have given less of a shit and today I find out the man in charge of holding them accountable is also a sex offender! But your right its probably a misunderstanding.
Except it happens all the time!! Stop pretending it doesn't!!

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I’m sorry you were so let down.

🌺

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/06/2023 14:36

Felix125 · 16/06/2023 14:31

coffeedrinkers

That is absolutely horrible what happened to you.
How long ago was this - as things happen a lot differently now where we are.

Putting a tiny 'I care about it' fig leaf on your comment doesn't stop you looking like someone who gives not a single shit about women but just about defending the police.

@coffeedrinkers was violently raped. And treated like shit by your colleagues. Leave her the fuck alone.

Brefugee · 16/06/2023 14:37

ok and not a police officer - but an absolute creep and in charge of holding the police to account.

So one of them, tbh, who just puts up with the police being misogynistic fuckers.

Brefugee · 16/06/2023 14:38

Felix125 · 16/06/2023 14:31

coffeedrinkers

That is absolutely horrible what happened to you.
How long ago was this - as things happen a lot differently now where we are.

You are un-fucking-believable.

There is ZERO fucking evidence that your colleagues would treat @coffeedrinkers any differently now. Except that there is also the possiblity that the rapist might be one of your colleagues.

You have no shame.

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 16/06/2023 14:39

Florissante · 16/06/2023 14:00

To be fair - and I am not defending Lockwood in the least - the offences took place in 1985 and 1986. In other words, when Lockwood was 25 / 26 years old - not at a time when he held any kind of office.

His victim was under 16.

justiceandtruth · 16/06/2023 14:40

Same here.

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 16/06/2023 14:40

EmmaGrundyForPM · 16/06/2023 14:33

what does ACAB mean? All Coppers Are Bent?

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I always thought it meant All Coppers Are Bastards, but you might be right.

GreenIsMyFavoriteColour · 16/06/2023 14:44

onefinemess · 16/06/2023 11:46

Hi OP, ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"?

Right now, shock horror, there are probably hundreds of people in police custody in the UK, they are entirely innocent and will NEVER be charged with an offence. They have been arrested on suspicion of something or other, but that doesn't mean anything.

Being charged with an offence simply means that the CPS have reviewed the evidence and decided that there is a likelihood of a guilty verdict. Otherwise they wouldn't prep for trial.

Please remember though, and this is THE reason that rape convictions are so low. The CPS will authorise a charge in respect of a sexual offence on the basis of "a convincing narrative". Unlike virtually all other offences in England and Wales, where you would have to evidence either reasonable doubt or the ballance of probability, this means that the alleged victim only has to say it happened, and if the complaint sounds plausible, irrespective of ANY physical evidence, the CPS will authorise charge. Also the accused will be publicly named, which doesn't happen with other offences. In essence, I could say for example a teacher sexually assaulted me 20 years ago by touching my breast in a classroom. All the CPS would consider before authorising charge is that the teacher in question did teach me, that I could have been one of their classes, and that the opportunity could have arisen for them to assault me. However, I wouldn't have to, nor would I be expected to provide any physical evidence what so ever in relation to the offence. Nevertheless, we expect a jury to convict someone without any evidence, for an alleged crime that happened decades ago, all on the unsubstantiated story of someone who said it in fact did happen.

Can you see why most rape cases collapse?

At trial, the jury have to consider what is essentially a "she said, he said" situation, they invariably imagine themselves or that family member being accused with no evidence and conclude that the case can't be proved. Hence the low conviction rate.

Please refrain from finding the accused guilty without hearing a shred of the evidence relating to the case.

Thanks for a useful post. I had no idea about the "convincing narrative" thing.