Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2

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So basically in Janiie world, the Met got it wrong because they gave Johnson a FPN and Durham police got it wrong because they didn't give Starmer a FPN.

Have I got that right? Maybe if I squint hard enough it will make sense.😜

Anyway, good to see Johnson having a last minute tantrum. He is pathetic. Yesterday's charlatan, all washed up in a sea of shit.

Looks like we have to wait for the report

Partygate report likely to be delayed after intervention by Boris Johnson | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

Having quit as an MP in fury on Friday after receiving a private copy of the findings, lawyers for the former prime minister sent a letter at 11.57pm on Monday night that is being considered by the privileges committee.

MPs on the cross-party group, which has a Tory majority and Labour chair, had been hoping to bring their year-long inquiry to an end on Wednesday with a definitive conclusion about Johnson’s conduct.
But the letter from Johnson, as well as a large operation to draft the report and attach reams of evidence significantly earlier than planned to ensure it is “watertight”, has slowed down proceedings.

Are there enough to make a committee?

That is, in its way, one of the most amusing aspects of this shitshow. As a result of a lifetime of habitual lying, Johnson has put Sunak in the position where he (Sunak) can lie to his heart's content: when it comes to Johnson's word against Sunak's, no-one in their right mind is ever going to believe Johnson. But, frankly, we know Johnson is lying yet again this time, not least because there seems to be plenty of evidence against him over and above Sunak's word.

DuncinToffee

Would you bar any MP from being prime minister if they had received a fixed penalty notice, e.g. for a driving offence?

Is it only particular laws that you are happy for the PM to break or is it all laws?

Does it apply to all PMs or just those called Boris?

Bit unfair on the shit to have to share the sea with Boris.

The fact that Johnson was sitting in meetings is not evidence that he was working.

'So you don't have an answer, that is fine'

Please refer to one of my repeated answers at 15.06 and do change the record.

'So basically in Janiie world, the Met got it wrong because they gave Johnson a FPN and Durham police got it wrong because they didn't give Starmer a FPN.'

No in 'Janiie world' they both should have got them or neither should have. Booze and buffets and work should have been treated the same by whichever constabularies were dealing with said buffet. I hope that helps clear things up for you.

But but it's just like been a burglar or a murderer innit.

@Janiie the post of yours you refer to doesnt answer why you think it accepable for a 56 year old to have an illegal birthday party whilst millions of children could not have parties with their friends.

He's not being barred from being PM
He resigned from being PM because his own MPs got sick of his lies.

He's resigned as an MP without waiting for the report and without facing his peers or his constituents.

He didn't even wait to issue a rebuttal and wait to see if MPs decided the amend the findings. He swerved Parliamentary process.

He ran away.

Quite why anyone would believe he is worthy of their trust and admiration I'll never understand.

Kiwano
The fact that Johnson was sitting in meetings is not evidence that he was working

Indeed - I don't know why we have so many complaining teachers on Mumsnet - they just sit there in staff meetings, nursing a cup of coffee, dreaming about their next holiday.

Ok, so if Kier had also been fined you would be arguing equally in defence of both? Your issue isn’t with the result of Boris’ actions it’s simply that Kier isn’t experiencing the same?

Well Sunak wasn't barred, so no I wouldn't bar MP's from being PM for receiving a FPN

That makes very little sense, janiie.

So have you formed a view on this one?

https://www.cityam.com/johnson-accused-of-lying-over-pincher-sexual-misconduct-scandal-by-ex-top-official/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62062077

Probably because he managed not to lie frequently about the matter, took it on the chin and moved on.

DuncinToffee
Well Sunak wasn't barred, so no I wouldn't bar MP's from being PM for receiving a FPN

What are you complaining about then?

Having a PM with a FPN would depend on the circumstances and also whether they agreed with it.

I don't think Johnson thinks he did anything wrong.

If he said "Fair enough, we did have parties during lockdown, there was a culture in Downing Street of socialising whilst the rest of you were locked down, we shouldn't have done it, I didn't tell them to stop partying", then I might have some respect for him.

However - this is NOT about the parties, but about misleading Parliament.

It does not sound like he asked for reassurance that all guidance was followed.

Despite telling the House that.

Tell me, what am I complaining about?

As you of course know, the relevant laws in operation on the respective dates of these events were not the same, and Starmer undoubtedly did not not break the law. Johnson, on the other hand, did, as he himself accepted.

Ah, I think you are saying that is ok to murder someone for 12 minutes or was it 20?

Thank you for the clarification.

Into a fridge?

I think its an admission on @Janiie behalf that Johnson's birthday party was illegal.