Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2

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New thread!

Are you denying that Johnson lied to Parliament?

Oh, it just gets better and better. Drowning in their own effluent.

Where there's 52% there has to be 48%.

Btw isn't it refreshing that Johnson can now be called a liar.

And he can be called a liar in Parliament as well.

Without people being asked to withdraw that comment

the almost hysterical tone

Can you back this up by quoting the parts you think have a "hysterical tone", janiie?

Nads is in for a penny, in for a pound at this point surely? Her political career is over. She isn't getting anywhere near the Lords, and her embarrassing attempts to secure data disclosure aren't going to change that. She's in no position to try and disassociate herself from Johnson, so she might as well go all in to try and secure a plum place with the conspiracy wing of the right. Not what she ideally wanted, but life gives you lemons etc.

Basically, there's no point her trying to look dignified or sensible at this stage.

Not just refreshing. It makes him highly vulnerable to all sorts of unsavoury accusations with no prospect of judicial relief. By all means he is welcome to sue for libel (or slander) however his denials would always be caveated with his proven mendaciousness.

'how would you explain to someone who was not able to take their relative to hospital or be there when they were dying that it was fine for the Prime Minister to break the law, ignore all covid laws in his place of work and then lie about it?'

I would have said hospitals were high risk areas full of vulnerable people and risk of spread needed to be reduced to protect people. Eating at work however, with colleagues you were with day in day out did not present this same risk. No questions about kids parties today?

Rather unpleasant that you would sneer when I said I was taking a relative to hospital

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Did you see the quote about the attitude towards risk in Downing Street?

Leaving do's, birthday parties. Wine Fridays, no real risk assessments being done and "a sense of normality" within Downing Street.

I am certain that we had nothing like that in our workplace.

I am also certain that if I had seen them going on, I would have known they were against the rules.

I have no time at all for the likes of @Clavinova or @Janiie if they continue to try to find ways to excuse Johnson's conduct. I'd say what I think of the attempts to minimise or endorse Johnson but I don't want to be banned.

And Andrea Jenkyns.

They should have the Whip withdrawn.

Unfortunately it's not about what you perceive the risk to have been, but what the law said.

@Janiie, if you don’t believe that the committee was impartial, who do you think should have been on the committee, and who do you think should have chaired it? I’d really appreciate names or roles, please.

Do you think that Johnson’s behaviour should have been investigated? And if you don’t, what should the threshold for investigation be? Or maybe there should never be any type of investigation?

And if you don’t think this was the right mechanism for investigating, evaluating and recommending (you may do - I don’t want to ascribe views to you that you may not hold), what do you think would be a better alternative?

"This ridiculous report tells us nothing that we didn't know about the impartial committee and their impartial investigation. The committee had probably made their minds up before they even started. The length of the report, the almost hysterical tone makes the committee, not Johnson, an absolute laughing stock."

Have you read the report? Because I have and nothing about it is hysterical.

@Janiie I had to take my DH to hospital today so I guess I qualify for asking you

Are you denying that Johnson lied to Parliament?

Johnson's response is just appalling. Not a hint of remorse or self reflection, just a load of self pitying twaddle.

I'd like to buy Harriet a very large drink as she has particularly infuriated him, he is obsessed by her.

This ridiculous report tells us nothing that we didn't know

Tbf to @janie this is true. We all knew Johnson is a barefaced liar.

Yeah, dead on there.

'you don’t believe that the committee was impartial, who do you think should have been on the committee, and who do you think should have chaired it? I’d really appreciate names or roles, please'

Erm, anyone who hadn't tweeted their opinion before it had even started? Bryant recused himself for this very reason, why didn't Harman?

Johnson agreed with her appointment

I wouldn't trust his judgement

Actually I thought what came out of the report was far worse than what I had originally thought.
From the failure to confirm that rules had been followed- not now a surprise given that they went a year without any attempt at compliance - to the outright lies told in Parliament. Followed up with lies told to the Committee. And then compounded by the concerted efforts to harass Committee members and releasing privileged information.

He hasn't performed with any shred integrity in any aspect.

So yes I am a bit shocked. Shouldn't be but I am.

Fair point.