Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect

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Just breaking now on BBC.

Same day as Nadine.

It seems that those who think the rule of law shouldn't apply to Johnson are struggling to understand that many of us think that the rule of law should apply to everyone, Johnson, Sturgeon or little Jimmy.

Oh lighten up. For once try not to be such a bossy boots. Meant kindly of course here have some .

Well known Lefty and ex Editor in chief of the Telegraph, Max Hastings on Boris Johnson -

'His statement on Friday reflected almost deranged narcissism. It proclaimed only his own alleged victimhood. Yet how could the Commons committee of privileges possibly have reached any verdict other than that he lied to parliament about breaking lockdown rules? He partied while Britain suffered. You may, if you wish, now argue that this does not matter, though most of us think that it does. But only a fantasist can claim that it did not happen."

"He is a stranger to truth, a lifelong liar about big things and small. Many Brexit supporters today seem willing to pardon him for signing a treaty with Brussels that it was always his intention to break. The world, however, is less forgiving: Britain’s reputation has suffered gravely for having chosen a prime minister whose word cannot be trusted."

@Janiie it would be lovely to hear from you why you think that Johnson was not breaking the law at the party that you have told us had soggy sandwiches?
I am sure that the Met Police would be interested to recieve your evidence also.
Where you at the party?

He was at work. Eating sandwiches at work. No dancing, no singing, no congas, no karaoke. The world's worst 'party'.

Haven't you ever disagreed with the actions of the Met? You must learn to question things a bit more. They aren't God y'know.

While the legislation did at one point provide a legal definition of a table, not even the coronavirus regulations went as far as specifying a list of conditions to assess whether a party qualified as good or not. I suppose we should at least be grateful for that small mercy.

Janiie doesn't feel able to debate with me.

Not a peep about my posts about Pincher. Or about Grant Shapps.

The facts are that even when people were going into a workplace then social events with multiple people sat around all together were not permitted. To me if they are sat there in a garden with the bottles on the table, people sat on swings, wife there too- that was a social event. It wasn't a necessary work meeting etc and if so should have been indoors, no Carrie there and no booze!! You do not hire DJs for a quick office meeting- now it may be that Boris didn't initiate these things but he was fully aware and didn't stop them- so the buck stops at him- !! Inviting people round Chequers- that would have come from the pair of them- and they made the rules not to allow that kind of activity!! The problem was Johnson is a bon viveur - he needs others around to play off and show off to and didn't much like the sound of his own rules- didn't sound much fun ! The thing is as PM you have to be squeaky clean and often that's not much fun - one reason he is incredibly unsuitable for the role- just because you are affable doesn't make you good PM material.

Yes. Excellent point.

The laws and guidance were all based on behaviour and transmission.

I'm another who thought the NHs tic tok video were dubious.

But for those who think that it makes what Johnson did even worse.

He wrote and told us those rules to protect that nhs he didn't follow them himself.

If you don't like what the staff in hospitals are doing there is no way you can condone what DS staff were doing.

It honestly breaks my heart to think of people dying in hospital with their family on Zoom on an iPad whilst the Prime Minister, who made the law forcing them to do that, did whatever the hell he liked.

The picture of a masked up Queen Elizabeth alone in a pew at Philip's funeral, the day after the booziest Number 10 party will stay with me forever.

Don't take it personally, they don't appear to want to debate with anyone.

I shall try and question things a bit more.

How about this for a starter?

Why was Johnson not sat at his desk to eat lunch, as those school children who had to go to school did, socially distanced from their peers?

No people are being deliberately obtuse. And simplistic

Even the widest party is nothing like relatives coming into a hospital during a pandemic? How many people should have been able to go into hospital to kiss loved ones goodbye? How many times given people don’t actually know when their loved ones will depart?And I bet the outrage that people allowed to visit a Covid ward would have been slated as a dick move by Boris too.
It was nice different to someone living in rural wales walking around with impunity and people in London only going out for an hour.

He. Lost. His.Mother. He didn’t break that rule.

He. Lost. His.Mother. He didn’t break that rule

Which rule?

He. Lost. His.Mother in September 2021 when there were NO limitations on funeral attendance

That's right, Duncin. I don't understand what rule the poster is on about.

The point is that if you set legislation, if you go on our televisions to urge us to comply with that legislation you don't a) then ignore it yourself and b) then repeatedly lie in the House of Commons.

And if you do accept that you will be censured for it.

Just in the interests of factual accuracy the law in England never specified how long or how many times one could go out for exercise, whereas I have a feeling in Wales it did.

Yes, it did. I didn't realise at the time and I live there!

Maybe there was an unwritten cake rule?

I live close enough to the Welsh border and exericse for long enough that it could have been an issue, just didn't do long runs in that direction.

Black humour, i asked my DD about this, she said "for some its the only way of dealing with some pretty terrible outcomes"

Telling us to restrict our basic freedoms whilst hosting parties at Downing Street and Chequers goes far beyond what a few nurses did off shift, at least they were doing something useful during work.

Hopefully, both the UK and USA have had their fill of criminal fraudsters for the time being & Bojo and DT will be consigned to the history books forever now.

But whats amazing is the lengths Tories and in particular Boris supporters will go to to defend the indefensible, much like Trump ones :(

But of course it makes a difference to other people's survival. When you catch covid because of ignoring lockdown rules you risk spreading it to all the people you come into contact with, including ambulance and NHS staff, and including the vulnerable relatives of those people.. And when you end up in intensive care because you're PM and they daren't take risks, you're keeping another desperately ill patient out of that intensive care bed.

He was partaking in an unlawful gathering at work that was not reasonably necessary for work purposes. Even Johnson has accepted that and paid the fine. God only knows why you won't