Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

Gruffudd and Evans don't need lawyers. You lot know more than any of them. They should just get you all to duke it out, last woman standing wins the right to award custody of the kids. 😂

I posted about that on the last page. I said it was fucked up.

I think both parties have done things that haven't been in the best interests of the kids and made the split far more traumatic for the children than it needed to be.

I absolutely agree with that. I feel so sorry for their children, they must feel so adrift and powerless. I think neither parent is prioritising them. And I’m not surprised at the eldest daughter acting out the way she is - she is clearly carrying so much anger. And the youngest daughter looked so confused in the photos, which was upsetting to see.

Alice seems to be using Ioan’s (for want of a better word) “tactics” against him - the restraining order, the pap shots. But is involving the children. I still don’t think she’ll lose custody of the girls over it though, and I don’t think Ioan will be able to make 50/50 work either. There are no winners here, it’s absolute shit show.

This would never have played out publicly like this here in the U.K. I can’t believe court documents involving minor children can be accessed like this in the US. It’s not right. The documents should have been sealed. It’s made matters for the children worse.

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Does anyone know why the court documents are publically available?

Will the custody papers be publically available too?

Are child protection court documents available for anyone to access too in the US?

I just don’t understand the lack of privacy afforded to the kids. It’s not right.

Ioan stated that Bianca has been paying the rent, but that’s not the same as the rental being solely in Bianca’s name.

No indeed.

Either way, no adult seemed to think that perhaps Ioan should have his daughters alone?

The onus of course obviously being with him to make it happen.

I can’t believe a mother would do this to her DC in public. I am so shocked. I think she is completely delusional now, she’s descended into this strange mental place in her mind where she cannot seem to hear or see any reason, she will not listen to any other view point. She is so determined to ‘win’ she will stop at nothing to get there now. I think this has come from isolating herself away from the outside world and just immersing herself into social media and online forums, a lot of this behaviour isn’t even for her ex now, it’s for attention and she’s getting off on arguing with people or the validation from the nice comments.

I don’t know how anyone can compare the exes actions to Alice’s actions. Even if he did move on too soon (in some peoples eyes) it’s not an act of intentional emotional abuse of your children like this is. She seems to have created this concept of the children living in a waking nightmare, terrified of their own father, when they do submit anything to court (Alice and her daughters) it’s all imaginary perceived threats against them or possible scenarios, the story doesn’t actually seem to be in line with the events that took place which is why it always reads so oddly.

There is something incredibly performative about Alice, she could have channeled this into a positive career or enjoying her life but she has decided to take a dark path in life and focus all her energy into this bizarre self inflicted agony

Well, his daughters have repeatedly told him that they don’t want to spend time with Bianca, so you would think it would be obvious to him that this was a bad idea.

But he is asking for 50/50 custody, and the hearing is soon, so I suppose he had to demonstrate to the court that 50/50 is feasible, which it’s clearly not.

It was a shitty thing to do to his daughters. Especially when they have enough shit to deal with from their mum.

I read in the court documents Alice asked him to have them overnight, and there was back and forth so something is not quite right that he sprung Bianca on them out of the blue, it doesn’t really fit with the story here? From Ioan’s account of what took place - and he will have to provide evidence of the communications between their lawyers - this was arranged between them both and not a bolt from the blue. He probably would have been really excited about it.

The scenarios are that:

• Alice didn’t disclose her part in this to the DC with being party to the arrangements/plans
• The DC did know and planned to cause a scene about it in protest
• Ioan didn’t tell anyone his GF would be there and ‘sprung’ it on them (knowing it could backfire but did it anyway? Why would someone risk that?)

If the DC planned to cause scene why did Alice go along with the plans if they were unhappy about it?

Alice does not seem to have their best interests either way 😞

I felt very sorry for Alice when all this first kicked off and she seemed to be having a very public meltdown because she was so heartbroken and shocked that he'd left her. We can all empathise with that, can't we? Having your heart broken is shit. But as time has gone on, and a fuller picture emerged, my sympathies have changed. It's one thing to let off steam and express emotion, which she was perfectly entitled to do like anyone else, but her social media went waaaaay beyond that. This latest decision to put those pictures of the kids on her Instagram is disgusting.

I don't think Ioan has handled it perfectly or is the perfect parent (who is?) but I do think it must be extremely difficult to deal with someone like Alice and I don't think he ever had the option of co-parenting sensibly and reasonably with her. She seems to be so consumed with bitterness towards him and hatred towards his new partner that she doesn't care what she inflicts on the kids as long as she causes her ex and his partner as much trouble as possible. I feel desperately sorry for the kids, especially the eldest, who seems to be going rapidly off the rails. It's a terrible situation for those poor children.

Alice asking Ioan to have the kids overnight does not change the fact that the kids have repeatedly told him that they don’t want to spend time with Bianca. He was well aware of this. Also, was is specially mentioned in the court documents that the plan was for Bianca to be there? I don’t think it is mentioned, as far as I can recall.

Alice didn’t disclose her part in this to the DC with being party to the arrangements/plans

Unlikely. She clearly shares way too much with them.

The DC did know and planned to cause a scene about it in protest

Likely. They have told Ioan they don’t want to spend time with Bianca. I don’t think this kind of behaviour from children in their situation would come as much of a shock.

Ioan didn’t tell anyone his GF would be there and ‘sprung’ it on them (knowing it could backfire but did it anyway? Why would someone risk that?)

He would risk it because he is requesting 50/50 custody, the hearing is next week and he needs to demonstrate to the court that he can make 50/50 work.

Alice does not seem to have their best interests either way 😞

I agree. But I think she really believes that she does. Sadly, I don’t think Ioan is doing much better. He can’t seem to prioritise what is best for them either.

Sorry just to point out. In the RO request Ioan described a number of FaceTimes and calls where Alice screamed at him that he needs to go away and die. In front of the kids. She also has apparently been documented/recorded saying things to the children about death and life not worth living. She went on twitter and IG lots of times - where Ella is active and followers her - and said that Ioan was trying to get her to kill herself. I think that it is correct she has made illusions to Ioan wanting her to kill herself, and she’s allegedly said this in front of the kids. They are small kids. How do you think they will interpret such a thing? That daddy wants mummy to kill herself (so it would be daddy’s fault) therefore she might actually be capable of it? It’s not much of a stretch of a young minds imagination is it

You seem to have evaded the question about why did Alice allow this to happen knowing the kids were severely against it?

Alice did this optionally and facilitated it. Ella seems to believe it was court ordered. There are zero court orders on the docket about overnight visitation. Therefore this was a mediated arrangement between 2 parents. You have confirmed that Alice would be aware they wouldn’t want to be there with her, so why did she facilitate this?

Okay, but that poster said Alice has “repeatedly told the children that she will kill herself if they left her”.

They didn’t say anything about the children perhaps interpreting tweets and posts in that way, or interpreting other comments made by her.

They specially said that Alice “repeatedly told the children that she will kill herself if they left her” and that it was heard and documented by the people who heard it.

That is blatantly untrue. And was absolutely made up. And you know that.

I challenged it because it was a lie. If they had said that her comments are maybe giving the children the impression that she might harm herself if they go to their fathers, then I wouldn’t have said anything. But that’s not what they said. That poster said Alice has “repeatedly told the children that she will kill herself if they left her”.

I’m sorry, but regardless of Alice’s behaviour that is an outright lie and it’s unfair, and somewhat deranged, to claim she has said things like that to her own children, when she hasn’t.

Does anyone else not think it’s a little convenient that 2 weeks before a custody hearing, Alice decides to suddenly offer Ioan an over night visitation after 2 years? She hasn’t chosen to take them to any therapy. She hasn’t chosen to take them to their reunification sessions.

Knowing the DC do not like or trust Ioan or his GF, she decides to ‘see how it goes’. It appears Ioan was worried enough he employed a professional to help him.

It goes very badly.

Ella takes Ioan to court so now it’s all legally documented that Ioan appears to have to choose between his DD’s and his GF’s account of events and have to face up to questions of child abuse at his custody hearing.

Sorry, but I haven’t confirmed that Alice would be aware that Bianca would be there. Because I don’t know.

No one knows. The court documents say that Alice suggested the overnight, but they are silent on whether she knew Bianca would be there or not.

Ioan decided to use it as an opportunity to introduce the children to Bianca, but it doesn’t say he informed Alice of this, as far as I know.

Maybe she assumed Bianca would give Ioan and his daughters space for the night. Maybe she did know and sent the children anyway because her lawyer advised her that her refusal to engage would go against her at the custody hearing. I don’t know.

Does anyone else not think it’s a little convenient that 2 weeks before a custody hearing, Alice decides to suddenly offer Ioan an over night visitation after 2 years? She hasn’t chosen to take them to any therapy. She hasn’t chosen to take them to their reunification sessions.

No, not really.

You said yourself, it’s 2 weeks before the custody hearing. Perhaps his lawyer negotiated it via mediation so that Ioan could demonstrate that 50/50 is workable.

Your guess is as good as mine, because none of us know now, do we?

It’s not a lie, it’s just how Alice has worded it that it’s pretty much the same thing. It is pretty obtuse to say it isn’t.

Consistently taking about killing yourself in any capacity to your small children is something else, I don’t even know what word. Sick and abusive. you can skirt around it any way you like from how it was worded hear this: Alice has talked to her kids about killing herself saying it would be Ioan’s fault and he would like her to commit suicide.

Her lawyer seems to be her lawyer no more. That is unusual. This will probably sadly transpire to be a set up plan that Alice concocted. She isn’t quite clever or thorough enough to cover all her tracks and lies so I am sure this will come out at some point

What is your understanding of a lie, then?

Because Alice never “repeatedly told her children she would kill herself if they left her” and that others heard her saying it and documented it. That it a lie, no matter how much you try to gaslight me into believing otherwise.

Alice has talked to her kids about killing herself saying it would be Ioan’s fault and he would like her to commit suicide.

Again, how do you know this? Where you there? Or do you mean she talked to her kids via the medium of Twitter and vague posts? Because they are two different things, despite your obvious attempts at gaslighting.

But she parted with her lawyer after the visitation showdown. So her lawyer was still advising her prior to then, and would have advised her during the mediation for the overnight.

@Vivi0 Of course he may have been lying in his statement, but it's in the court documents. Bottom of page 5, screenshot attached.

Now attached.

Nothing is attached. Can you upload again please?

It seems the images feature on this thread has been disabled, as I can't post them here.

This is the link.

drive.google.com/file/d/1KQTJR10FHv28BoBKqyU7N4RkFP2F7c9e/view

Bottom of page 5 of his statement, or bottom of page 15 of 71.

Thank you for going to the trouble of posting those, but it doesn’t say at all that Alice “repeatedly told the girls that if they left her she would kill herself”.

It does say that “Ella said Alice falsely told her that I wanted Alice to commit suicide” which, whilst utterly horrific, is not Alice repeatedly telling the girls that if they left her should would kill herself.

If Alice said it, why would Ioan not put it in his court documents. He put everything else in.

So, it was a lie by that poster after all.

I’m glad we managed to clear that up.