Ioan Gruffudd daughter in news

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Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

I don't think they dowant to be with her because that's what's best, I think they've been poisoned, the poor kids can't know which way is up right now, and it is his duty as a parent to do his best to undo or repair that poison. He has to fight for them, because if he doesn't, he seemingly proves to them that mummy is right and daddy couldn't GAF. If all men gave up the second their kids were being told lies or even truths that they shouldn't have to hear at that age, then there would be a lot of abandoned children in the world.

I'm not sure I trust the judge to be as sensible as you.

Please report the posts then if you feel that way (as anyone is entitled to do).

What offends you the most;
a) my usage of the term ‘child abuse apologist’ or
b) the poster who excused/minimised a mother tormenting her child as just an ‘argument’?

Have you seen the court documents where he says Alice physically attacked him in front of his children? It is on page 13 here.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KQTJR10FHv28BoBKqyU7N4RkFP2F7c9e/view

There is no supposition there, no room for interpretation, ‘I believe’ etc. Ioan is clearly stating he was a victim of physical abuse (which means he was in an abusive marriage even if it happened just once)

I mean, people make up all kinds of shit in court documents.

My ex's.court statements were a total work of fiction.

(I think both AE and IG are probably big messes and i just feel sorry for their children. But it is deeply silly to assume people only tell the truth in court documents)

That’s really kind of you to post this when you didn’t have to so thank you.

Her abuse of her children is horrifying isn’t it, this and the sharing of the pap shots are just two specific examples but there will be more (like when she hit Ioan in front of them, can only imagine how damaging that would be for them, maybe being torn from wanting to defend their dad against their mother’s violence but perhaps being scared she would turn on them instead).

There is nothing in the world (including if Ioan cheated) that can justify what Alice has and continues to do to her children, they’re the innocent parties

My goodness, this case has reached new depths of low that I couldn't have imagined.

AE setting up those pap pictures with her DD, THEN posting them on her social media is so wrong for their mental health, I can't describe it.

The children need to be kept far away from both of these "parents" and receive some intensive therapy to support them through this nightmare. I feel so sorry for the children being exposed to this.

That’s fair to say, it could be made up though there’s always a risk of perjury if it is (though appreciate that doesn’t stop some committing it).

It’s only my opinion but I believe Ioan when he made that statement and that’s not because I’m a fan of his, it’s because Alice has displayed worrying and aggressive behaviour of her own accord on social media. There’s also the recordings of her emotionally abusing her kids (including her calling her eldest a ‘tedious bitch’ on the poor girl’s birthday). If this woman can’t moderate her temper enough to stop her abusing her own children then I can well believe she couldn’t control her temper to stop her assaulting her husband. She also hasn’t even attempted to refute it in court yet (if she ever does).

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Absolutely, whatever happened in their relationship should have no bearing on the children's ability to maintain relationships with each parent. The eldest sounds like some damage has already occurred and I don't agree with her behaviours at her dad's, but I also understand, having been subject to parental hatred on both sides, that loyalty is so complex and she isn't emotionally old enough to be dealing with this. In reality, dad should be taking this baby steps, which i don't fully agree with as children do not call the shots, but in this situation may be needed to help the girl feel heard and prioritised. Something she is absolutely not getting from her mum. Honestly, these two are now more famous than they've ever been, but for all the wrong reasons. I struggle to see what Bianca is really getting from this, id be running a mile, handsome face or not (objectively, not particularly my type!)

AE setting up those pap pictures with her DD, THEN posting them on her social media is so wrong for their mental health, I can't describe it.

This. I'm disgusted by her posting those pictures, it's genuinely shocked me.

Those poor kids.

I 💯 agree on the taking it slowly, I don’t think the overnight visit should have included Bianca, not until things are on a more even keel and like you say, to allow his daughters to feel heard (even if that does feel a bit like the tail wagging the dog). I wonder if Bianca was supposed to be there all or part of the time (though to be honest it would’ve been better not at all given how he’s described Ella’s behaviour in other visitations including the walk outs).

It’s not clear if when Alice suggested the overnight visit Ioan informed her Bianca would be there. The papers seem to indicate there was some back and forth on agreeing this visitation but isn’t yet explicit as to whether Bianca was expected to be there or not as the exhibit c is missing. If Ioan did inform Alice in advance, he’s probably assumed she’s talked this through with the girls and they were on board with it. This was a mistake if he did as he can’t assume anything where Alice is concerned, he should have had this conversation with the children himself. If it comes out at a later date that the girls did agree to meet Bianca that day then I’d be a bit more sympathetic to him including her on this visitation.

Neither parent are doing things for the best of these kids but I do believe that Ioan is trying (and sometimes failing) whereas Alice is only trying to weaponise them and I’d go so far as to say I get the impression she’s never enjoyed being a mother and all it entails, even before all this.

At the time was he not living at Bianca's?

If so how was he supposed to do an overnight without her?

Wasn't there also a time that a trip didn't happen because Bianca couldn't manage it?

Why couldn't that have happened without her?

So atm there is a property that needs to be sold, two non working parents.

It's an absolute shit show!

Bianca and Ioan live together, have for a year or more and according to the Court documents Bianca is paying his rent while he was paying 100% of expenses on the former marital home until December.

The visitation that didn't happen was during Covid when Bianca was shielding as coming off intensive treatment for MS. The eldest daughter would only agree to visitation if he took her to a theme park (Warner or Disney can't remember which). He said he was happy to take her elsewhere but she refused to go.

The property was sold earlier this year. They were each given some money from the sale to cover immediate bills. Alice and the girls moved into an apartment in Beverley Hills. Ioan has worked, but obviously the Covid years were restricted. Whenever he has gone away to work Alice has created a crisis; he went to France as part of his obligation to promote The Reunion (she launched a Go Fund Me claiming poverty), he went to New York for a paid role hosting (Alice was all over Twitter begging for food money), he is currently filming a movie in Atlanta (Alice sacks her divorce lawyer and the daughter files for a restraining order). So there is definitely a pattern which will affect his ability to get work. Alice has not got a job though she does get some residuals from her earlier acting jobs and the nanny/housekeeper is still around.

If what PP have said about BW paying the rent on the house BW and IG live in, then although the older DD says she doesn't want to be around her, they have little choice if she's paying the bills on her own house! IG should have explained that BW is supporting him financially in the most child friendly way possible.

If this had been posted on the MN step-parenting board, most would say BW should not be leaving the house for contact visits, and that the DDs would have to get used to her over time.

If anything, it's IG who should be leaving the house and spending contact time elsewhere to build the relationship with his DDs back up, and not insisting they have overnights with someone the older one doesn't wish to see.

It's very interesting that the restraining order applied for by the DD has been turned down by the courts.

@Starseeking He didn’t insist, it was Alice that suggested it.

Thanks @Nicknacky.

If the Alice who insisted the DC have overnights, is the same Alice who has been ranting for years about her DC being kept away from "that woman", I can see why some people have suggested it was a set-up not to tell the DC BW would be there too.

Cue the ensuing fallout with the DC tantrum.

If there are any close grandparents on either side willing to look after these DC on for a few months while the parents sort their divorce it would probably do the children the world of good to be away from this level of toxicity; it's horrifying.

*the Alice who suggested the DC have overnights

I imagine she thought Bianca would be willing to stay somewhere else for one single night

That's why I wondered if it was her place.

In which case why should she?

Why couldn't he find somewhere to stay with his own kids?

If the house has been sold perhaps he could now get a place of his own?

Same old same old...

I agree.

This situation is why people usually wait until after they’ve introduced their new partner to their children, and they’ve all spent some time together, before making big decisions like moving in together.

I’ve never heard of someone moving in with a new partner before they’ve even introduced them to their children. Essentially, moving a complete stranger to the children in with them.

Anyone posting on the MN step-parenting forum that they’ve moved their new partner in without them having met their children would be crucified, and rightly so. And if the children were unhappy about it and it was contributing to issues with contact, that person would be told they were being selfish, to get their head out of their ass and to put their kids’ well-being first.

But with Ioan, it appears to be a perfectly acceptable move to make and his children are expected to just suck it up.

Why couldn't he find somewhere to stay with his own kids?

A really fair point, actually.

@Vivi0

What are your thoughts on her sharing those pap shots on her Instagram?

I think both parties have done things that haven't been in the best interests of the kids and made the split far more traumatic for the children than it needed to be.

But I am staggered if anyone can defend her posting those pap photos of the girls upset on Instagram.

Just realised something, when Alice appeared in court on the charges for breaking her DVRO she made sure she had a car waiting outside for her so she could get away from the Paps as soon as possible (this hurried exit was caught on film by the Pap).

Yet when her vulnerable 13 year old daughter has her court appearance, what does Alice do?! She doesn’t protect her and shield her from the Paps, there’s no waiting car this time and in fact they had to wait so long to be collected that the Paps were able to get several intrusive shots of her distraught child (and her younger sister who should never have been there in the first place) sat outside the courtroom.

You would think Alice would be doing absolutely everything she can to ensure her daughter’s have help to deal with all they’re going through. We already know her eldest is struggling with anxiety that affects day to day things (it’s in her own RO application) but Alice is actively sabotaging her children’s access to the court ordered therapy (she stopped bringing them). Alice didn’t have the car waiting or jump in front of the photographers to shield the children from the Paps on one of the most traumatic days of their lives, in fact she (she even reshared the pap photos on her own Insta). Alice has also horrifically announced on her Twitter that Ioan ‘hates‘ Ella.

Sorry to say, this doesn’t sound to me like a mum who wants her child to be mentally well, this sounds like a mum who is actually trying to push her child closer to some kind of breaking point. I hope I’m wrong about this and Alice never has to find out that some breaking points aren’t ones that her daughter can come back from.

That's why I wondered if it was her place.

In which case why should she?

I’m not certain that it is Bianca’s place.

Ioan stated that Bianca has been paying the rent, but that’s not the same as the rental being solely in Bianca’s name.

He said he was financially unable to pay the rent, so perhaps Bianca was just paying it in the interim until he was in a better financial position. But it is also not usual for men who were high earners to suddenly not be earning when a divorce is pending.

Either way, he has had a payout from the sale of the family home and is currently filming for Bad Boys 4, so he should be back to paying the rent now, whether the rental is in his name only, or in both their names. But I don’t think it’s solely Bianca’s place, no.