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Ukraine Invasion: Part 41

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MagicFox · 06/06/2023 13:13

Welcome to thread 41 with new guidance thrashed out with regular posters to keep us on track :-) Hope you all approve!

  1. The agreed purpose of the thread is for the sharing of information and commentary on current events
  1. If you post a link please tell us where it leads/give a precis of the content
  1. Discussion and debate is welcome, but please keep it respectful
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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/06/2023 23:36

And yes, there are too many signs of regugitated Russia-pap in your posts. I think you're as genuine as Putin's compassion.

blueshoes · 07/06/2023 23:43

FructoviPresse · 07/06/2023 23:31

Anyone going to address the part where you called me a shill and I refuted it, or are you all going to quietly ignore it?

I've reported posts that have outright attacked my nature. Disgusting behaviour.

You were depressed, in a state, now outraged. These yo-you emotions cannot be good for you.

Yes, mn will be looking into your posts.

blueshoes · 07/06/2023 23:48

MissConductUS, have just donated to U-hearts. Thanks for the link.

Surplus2requirements · 07/06/2023 23:50

FructoviPresse · 07/06/2023 23:31

Anyone going to address the part where you called me a shill and I refuted it, or are you all going to quietly ignore it?

I've reported posts that have outright attacked my nature. Disgusting behaviour.

I will.

You promote Putins agenda for free?

Mate you're really missing a trick there.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/06/2023 23:52

For anyone who is thinking of donating, this seems to be the accepted view:

Though I don't know why they're being so hard on Mriya Aid.

(We have a lovely fluffy Mriya plane plushie in our kitchen now, courtesy of one of our guests. )

Ukraine Invasion: Part 41
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/06/2023 23:54

(other than UNITED24 of course)

Greenshake · 07/06/2023 23:57

@FructoviPresse, looks like you will have to try a bit harder. Slava Ukraini 🙂

Surplus2requirements · 08/06/2023 00:00

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/06/2023 23:54

(other than UNITED24 of course)

I'm yet to see credible criticism of United24. That's good enough for me

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 08/06/2023 00:13

I've also donated to U-hearts.

I also love the idea of donating to Ukraine every time we get a shill on the thread 😂

"That'll learn ye" as my nan would say in her broad Scottish accent.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/06/2023 00:59

Managed to miss mentioning the biggest giveaway:

Yes, Ukraine has already blown a dam up.

and "it's happened, let's move on quickly and not think of WW3"

As gaslighting goes, that's the single biggest gaslight ever. At all. This is a humanitarian, ecological, economic and food-production catastrophe ... "but let's just forget it".

More than anything else that makes me sure that 1) this poster is full of Russian lies and 2) Russia did do it - Timothy Snyder pointed out that Russia emphasises the catastrophic aspect of anything that is anyone else's responsibility but plays the impact of anything it does itself down into zero.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 08/06/2023 01:05

About the idea of Ukraine blowing the dam up - the lowest by some way of three possibilities, Russia blowing it up, maintenance issue, Ukraine blowing it up.

It is just, just possible that it was due to lack of maintenance but infinitely more likely that it was Russian - because

Russia's threatened to do it.

Some Russian soldiers have been filmed claiming to have done it

Russia has controlled the dam for over a year. How could Ukraine have planted explosives in the control room and turbine room in that time? Juuust possibly maybe at the base of the dam section that blew, but very unlikely

The engineering types say that it's not a stormshadow for tech reasons that are beyond me.

Timing - they did this at the point where they are running scared of the counteroffensive and they wanted to hold the AF of Ukraine up. Militarily it makes sense to blow a dam when you're planning a retreat, not when you're holding the ground and hoping to advance

Russia has just a week ago passed a law saying that deliberate damage to infrastructure during war cannot be prosecuted. Then they closed the dam so the pressure built up to significantly greater than usual ... and now this happens. Now coincidences do happen, but this one is very strange.

Ukraine is unlikely to have blown its own dam up when overall it seems to try its best to evacuate people to safety and to preserve its land. The catastrophe is going to have ramifications for many years.

Now, if after proper examination it's found that Ukraine was responsible after all, I'll eat my hat. But as it is, I think my hat's perfectly safe.

Positivethought · 08/06/2023 01:36

Good analysis, @ReleaseTheDucksOfWar. The earlier article linked by @MissConductUS (informative read - thank you) provides another reason to consider why it was Russia who blew up the dam in that it’s possibly part of Russia’s overall strategy to destroy Ukraine’s economy.

StormShadow · 08/06/2023 06:14

FructoviPresse · 07/06/2023 23:31

Anyone going to address the part where you called me a shill and I refuted it, or are you all going to quietly ignore it?

I've reported posts that have outright attacked my nature. Disgusting behaviour.

'Refuted'. Mmmmmhmmmm.

notimagain · 08/06/2023 07:08

@ReleaseTheDucksOfWar

The engineering types say that it's not a stormshadow for tech reasons that are beyond me.

Absolutely nothing like powerful enough and can't be made to go bang in the right place are good and correct enough explanations.

Natsku · 08/06/2023 07:12

I will also eat my hat if it turns out it wasn't Russia that destroyed the dam, all signs point to it.

Mb76 · 08/06/2023 07:14

Wrong dam and over a year ago, for completely different reasons.
Irpin, this was during the early days of the war.

Do you take us for complete idiots?

And as others have pointed out, Ukrainians DO NOT recommend donating to the Red Cross.

You really must try harder 🥱🥱🥱

Natsku · 08/06/2023 07:14

I have a brother in the Paras and a younger sister about to pass out at Halton.

Would that be the indoor air quality company?

Grin
MagicFox · 08/06/2023 07:15

Wow what's happened overnight! I guess this is the bit where I get to go Miss Trunchbull and refer to the new agreed guidance on keeping the thread as information based as possible and full of respect for each other which, happily, we are v good at. Slava Ukraini

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StormShadow · 08/06/2023 07:18

Also, we should probably stop giving it pointers that it can use to do a better job on the next shift.

Mb76 · 08/06/2023 07:19

StormShadow · 08/06/2023 07:18

Also, we should probably stop giving it pointers that it can use to do a better job on the next shift.

I think dealing with us lot is above their pay grade

StormShadow · 08/06/2023 07:29

Mb76 · 08/06/2023 07:19

I think dealing with us lot is above their pay grade

Yes, I demand to speak to the manager. Mind you, what time is it in Vladivostock now? They might have clocked off.

Igotjelly · 08/06/2023 07:35

StormShadow · 08/06/2023 07:29

Yes, I demand to speak to the manager. Mind you, what time is it in Vladivostock now? They might have clocked off.

Its currently 16:34 Grin

Can you imagine how infuriating it is to be on a thread like this trying to promote your Russian bullshit and knowing its futile!

StormShadow · 08/06/2023 07:43

Igotjelly · 08/06/2023 07:35

Its currently 16:34 Grin

Can you imagine how infuriating it is to be on a thread like this trying to promote your Russian bullshit and knowing its futile!

Oh well, we might be lucky then!

If another one turns up, I pledge to make another donation to the Ukrainian defence forces.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/06/2023 07:44

Natsku · 08/06/2023 07:12

I will also eat my hat if it turns out it wasn't Russia that destroyed the dam, all signs point to it.

I will also sign myself up for the hat feast. Will bring a picnic since there won’t be many hats eaten.

Destroying the dam is in Russia’s interest, both tactically and in terms of their long term goals, and strongly against Ukraine’s interests, both long and short term.
Yes false flag attacks are a thing but it makes no sense at all for this to be one. Firstly it is too big and too destructive. Secondly it isn’t the type of attack (as use of nuclear weapons would be) that could be used to leverage more help from the international community).

Trying to imagine Ukraine doing it is really one hell of a stretch. No wonder Russia is activating the shill army but they’ve got their work cut out, really.