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Thread 24, Sunak and the local elections aftermath

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DuncinToffee · 15/05/2023 11:04

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StormShadow · 03/06/2023 12:40

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/general-election-2019-marginality/

According to this the biggest Tory majority in percent terms is South Holland and the Deepings. Might be different to the biggest numerical majority though?

newnamethanks · 03/06/2023 12:54

Thank you both. Like me, Bozo has probably not heard of either but worryingly has just bought/had bought for him, a house near Chipping Norton in the Cotswold. Tqhe Bamford family live nearby so not far for the Johnsons to get to their food bank.

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2023 13:53

Norfolk North in England.

jgw1 · 03/06/2023 14:02

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2023 13:53

Norfolk North in England.

Johnson wouldn't like that with it being northern.

Piggywaspushed · 03/06/2023 14:14

I think Nadine has admirably proven that one does not need to live anywhere near one's constituents.

Notonthestairs · 03/06/2023 14:29

Essex seems to have some very safe Conservative seats. But I don't see Johnson trooping his way around the M25.

jgw1 · 03/06/2023 16:27

What I am trying to work out is why we need this big squirrel of having an argument with the covid enquiry.
Is there something going on at the moment that they are trying to distract us from, or are they so used to living in perpetual scandal that they now can't help creating them?

DuncinToffee · 03/06/2023 17:48

Unless they were discussing state secrets via whatsapp, I think it is very much operation save little dog.

He has gotten away with only a FPN for drinking orange juice so far and hasn't been held to account much for eat out, delaying lockdown when Omicron was rife, covid contracts and what he knew about his neighbour's partying.

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RafaistheKingofClay · 03/06/2023 18:31

DuncinToffee · 03/06/2023 17:48

Unless they were discussing state secrets via whatsapp, I think it is very much operation save little dog.

He has gotten away with only a FPN for drinking orange juice so far and hasn't been held to account much for eat out, delaying lockdown when Omicron was rife, covid contracts and what he knew about his neighbour's partying.

I think when you’ve been outplayed by Boris Johnson in a game of honesty & accountability then it’s probably time to go.

He’s probably got a bit more money to ‘make’ before he does though.

DuncinToffee · 03/06/2023 18:57

The Cabinet Office has warned Boris Johnson it will pull public funding for his legal advice for the Covid inquiry if he “undermines the government’s position” or releases evidence without permission.

https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fboris-johnson-covid-inquiry-funding-cut-k03r96mws

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jgw1 · 03/06/2023 19:04

DuncinToffee · 03/06/2023 18:25

As the Covid public inquiry is publicly funded it also means the taxpayer will foot the bill for both sides in the legal dispute

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunaks-whatsapp-legal-battle-30146012

Got to save money for important things like this, by not giving nurses a pay rise.

StormShadow · 03/06/2023 20:07

DuncinToffee · 03/06/2023 18:57

The Cabinet Office has warned Boris Johnson it will pull public funding for his legal advice for the Covid inquiry if he “undermines the government’s position” or releases evidence without permission.

https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fboris-johnson-covid-inquiry-funding-cut-k03r96mws

That's actually pretty fucking outrageous of them.

Notonthestairs · 03/06/2023 21:16

"That's actually pretty fucking outrageous of them."

Certainly raises ethical issues. Wonder if Whitty & Valance as Government advisors have similar arrangements and limitations.

jgw1 · 03/06/2023 21:21

Notonthestairs · 03/06/2023 21:16

"That's actually pretty fucking outrageous of them."

Certainly raises ethical issues. Wonder if Whitty & Valance as Government advisors have similar arrangements and limitations.

Johnson strikes me as a bit of a raging bear with a sore head when it comes to Sunak and having been betrayed, so why is Sunak provoking him?

Notonthestairs · 03/06/2023 21:30

I doubt Sunak has too many options right now.
And whatever is in those messages will clearly sink him.

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jgw1 · 03/06/2023 21:43

DuncinToffee · 03/06/2023 21:31

Rishi Sunak didn't seek any scientific advice before launching Eat Out to Help Out.

SAGE scientist Prof John Edmunds: "If we had [been consulted], I would have been clear what I thought... that it was a spectacularly stupid idea".

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/03/sunak-under-fire-as-stupid-eat-out-to-help-out-scheme-to-be-focus-of-covid-inquiry

I thought eat out to help out was great. I got two meals for the price of one.
Quite why I needed two meals I don't know.

itsgettingweird · 04/06/2023 00:05

Well it comes to something the day Johnson is being threatened with not being truthful and giving everyone the honest information to help define the truth

RafaistheKingofClay · 04/06/2023 02:06

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/sunak-truss-covid-omicron-conservative-party-b2128888.html

Christ knows if this is true or not I don’t think any of them have more than a passing relationship with the truth. But is does sort of fit with the article. He doesn’t seem to have gone back to find out what was going on, just to stop lockdown. I wonder if he’d have done the same if there was evidence of a mutation that made the acute phase more severe with higher mortality.

Rishi Sunak says he ‘challenged system’ and flew home to stop December Covid lockdown

The Omicron variant of Covid-19 was running rampant last December

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/sunak-truss-covid-omicron-conservative-party-b2128888.html

StormShadow · 04/06/2023 08:04

I remember Rishi being against further lockdowns in December 2021, so that part checks, but not sure necessary to prevent it. Most of the parliamentary party didn't want another one then either. Him saying this now is an attempt to take credit for one of very few unequivocal covid policy wins.

As for whether it would've been different had Omicron been more dangerous, I suspect not. I don't think the building blocks for another lockdown were still in place by December 2021. There was more awareness of the harms of lockdown and the way in which they disproportionately affected people who were already disadvantaged, thanks to the ICO forcing the government to release that information the same month. That was taking up more space than it had done previously.

It's also hard to see what the rationale would've been, how it could've been sold to a public who'd already had enough. The first lockdown was if anything public driven, because we didn't know what we were doing and it's what most of the rest of Europe did. Later on, buy in for the 2021 lockdown was inextricably linked to vaccines. The population as a whole were willing to curtail their activities while people got a chance to be vaccinated. None of that applies by late 2021. Partygate as a story was also happening by that point, and I don't think the Tories could've convincingly called for another lockdown once that was known about. Too much erosion of trust. There's no convincing narrative available.

StormShadow · 05/06/2023 09:25

The TUC are bang on there. A lot of the problems we experienced during the pandemic were baked in, regardless of what policy decisions were made, because of austerity.

DuncinToffee · 05/06/2023 11:18

Sunak’s desperation, stop the boats

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1665660184805482498?t=3rGkLsWcgVZQZEwKEpSjHg&s=19

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DuncinToffee · 05/06/2023 12:01

"It's been exceptionally windy in the Channel for several days now, meaning there have been hardly any small boat crossings. Is that why you've chosen to come here today?" an ITV journalist asks Rishi Sunak.

Sunak's speech was only announced yesterday.

Sunak replies that he "can't control" the weather, which... isn't a denial

(he flew to Dover by helicopter, 74 mile journey)

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