Those of you who think NHS needs more money

[roarfeckingroarr]

I'm genuinely interested in whether you think these jobs - some on double the national average wage - are a good use of public money?

I totally accept the NHS is on its knees in places and that nurses should be paid more. When you see money going on art managers (for £50k pa), surely the answer is massive reform and priorities made, rather than even more money?

It just blows my mind how you have a lack of front line workers and many of those being paid a pittance and yet someone in Southampton will be paid £50k to work on some wild art.

@roarfeckingroarr

Riiighhhht.

Its a completely unnecessary waste of money.

Unlike nurses who aren't earning 600 a day.

Shame they're not seen as competitive.

Despite the massive recruitment crisis

Yes the NHS needs more money, and more resources. The pay reflects the years of study, the qualifications, the highly stressful job and the long hours. These people more than earn their pay.

But the arts job is a project manager role, that’s the going rate of not at the bottom end a PM salary.

Would the maintenance department be better to give this to?

Like when you need to change lighting, please use the current year green option.
When you replace windows, please use current year whatever standard.
When replacing boilers/kettles/fridges whatever, use current best option.
If replacing light switches, change to movement operated sensors.

These ideas (and there are so many more) dont need a energy manager and will save a lot. I know, we've implemented all these and more in the last few years at my workplace. All done by our maintenance dept( it's a rolling thing and has always been done)
Surely saving 50k is better than ever spending it in the first place.

The art thing, yes we need art in hospitals. But like a pp, children's drawings, the local art school, the nearest photography group and more, all of which can then advertise their school, group, art appreciation society for the price of some printing/paint &canvas.

Gone are the days where nurses trained on the wards when they actually wanted to look after patients. I trained in 1979 and all the people that trained around that time are now retiring so there’s many vacancies not being filled. Project 2000 put paid to nurses who wanted to actually nurse, most now want to go up the pay scale as quick as possible and be nurse managers where they have little or no nursing involved. Southampton hospital has artwork everywhere, which is awful when you wait months for an urgent appt. I’m glad I trained when I did, on the wards, so knew what it was going to be like when I qualified. Training in universities has left a lot of nurses getting a big shock when they have to actually work on a ward permanently. I know they do placements but a lot of the students we had used to turn up when they felt like it, go home early because they had a dentists appt or went on long lunch breaks because ‘they could’. The NHS is paying big money for staff that don’t actually do much. Seen it with my own eyes!

@Throwncrumbs

Nurses are still trained on wards and the majority are band 5.

A quick Google of NHS project manager jobs brings up these

https://www.google.com/search?q=nhs+project+manager+jobs&oq=nhs+project&aqs=chrome.2.69i59j69i57j0i457i512j0i512l2j69i60j0i512l4.5282j0j4&client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&chrome_dse_attribution=1#fpstate=tlexp&htiq=nhs%20project%20manager%20jobs

Where are all the triple figure salary jobs that you say 'most project managers are on'.

@ToK1 I agree with you. What I meant was lots of people go for the roles so if it wasn't me it would be someone else - and we all do what we can for our families don't we.

Absolute rubbish. I qualified in 2004 and it was 50:50 university/ placement. And I'm one of many happy band fibres with no aspirations to go higher. There will
Always be some careerists. But they are a minority, in my experience. I have found that the quality of students in the last few years has massively deteriorated.

It's 20k over the average band 5 nurse/ AHP and F1s.
It's roughly 15k over the average band 6 nurse / AHPs and first year of F2s. Salaries.

"The art thing" is being funded by a charity. Not the NHS. The OP has already admitted she didn't read the advert properly. The role of art manager is funded by a charity that brings art into healthcare. It is not funded by taxes.

Well given that climate change is going to result in more health problems and deaths surely that's a bit short sighted. Also if well managed going NetZero can have massive cost benefits as well so will probably self fund the role anyway.
Unless of course you don't believe in climate change in which case you're just a bit thick 😁

Yep. The RCN wanting to negotiate a separate pay scale for nurses is because so many have stalled career progression and get stuck at the top of their banding for yeses on end.

@roarfeckingroarr

Yes but seems a tad hypocritical ti then complain about the nhs wasting money

@ZittingBiting which does include me. I tried a band 6 and hated it! I do think The RCN is being greedy though.

@Toddlerteaplease

How is the RCN being greedy?

In Manchester it is. It's more than I earn. And yes, I'd far rather the NHS focussed on getting the basics right like paying nurses properly.

@ToK1 what ever perfect raise they were asking for, is too much.

@Toddlerteaplease

Sorry, you think asking for a raise that only matches inflation is greedy and too much?

Why?

Others think it's OK to charge the nhs 600 quid a day.

Why shouldn't nurses be well paid?

They offer more value than private sector consultants/pms

The NHS is not funding that job. A charity which brings art into healthcare setting is paying for that role.

@ZittingBiting it wasn't me who said that it was another poster

I've just checked two council jobs portals - how's travelling to Bromley sound to your OH?

Housing Options Officer, Outer London - just under £34k, no experience in housing necessary, can go up to £40.5k.

A different council;

Business Support Officer, Outer London - just under £32k.

Grade 2 (so things like Reception, passenger assistant) - just under £25k.

DP was in Housing and was on £27-ish as a Grade 6 in 2013.

Maintenance project managers / surveyors with the experience and knowledge to write appropriate specifications and service regimens for net zero and green tech will cost you just as much as this.

Whatever you call it, appropriate and proportion tech to work towards net zero and lower energy builds is not a one size fits all issue and needs people to implement it properly or it's just a waste. Done correctly, you can save real money and carbon emissions.

Is it not? And yet when teachers go on strike, damn near all of them on considerably less than this, they are work shy whingers.