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Two dogs shot in London by police

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flowagurl · 08/05/2023 08:40

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

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Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 11:53

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 11:49

@Florenz they aren’t illegal dogs. Dear me

The owner of the dogs had been banned from keeping animals because of his previous behavior/offences, therefore the dogs were illegally kept.

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 11:58

@ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch lots of things that were not factual were reported. Initially it was assumed that a woman was ‘mauled’ when in actual fact she stripped over tangled leads.

your view on the dogs sitting on the tube seats is irrelevant to this debate - the question is were the dogs aggressive and were the police justified in killing them. The fact that you don’t like them sitting on tube seats, or the look of them or the look of the owner is irrelevant. We’re going with facts here and the fact is that the dogs did not attack anyone and the police aggregated the situation by following them and surrounding them and then proceeded to shoot them dead . There is no reason why they could not have shot a tranquilliser dart if they felt it was needed.

ThisOldThang · 13/05/2023 12:03

You're just talking nonsense now and ignoring the facts in the video you posted.

It wasn't 'murder' as you claimed before.

The 1st dog wasn't 'on lead' as you claimed before.

The 1st dog did behave aggressively by lunging towards the police.

Tranquiliser darts take 10+ minutes to work. How much damage could that 1st dog have done to a police officer in 10 minutes?

https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/13g5k0c/at_what_age_is_it_safe_to_be_around_bully_breeds/

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https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/13g5k0c/at_what_age_is_it_safe_to_be_around_bully_breeds

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Florenz · 13/05/2023 12:04

The man had been banned from owning dogs, so they were illegal dogs. Sorry but the rights of dogs do not outweigh the rights of humans not to be attacked by dogs. What is the alternative?

Florenz · 13/05/2023 12:06

"Murder" refers to the unlawful killing of human beings not dogs. Dogs are not human beings, they are animals. No-one would be nearly as upset if they saw the police killing a rat.

ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch · 13/05/2023 12:06

People are defending the dogs with reference to their calm behaviour on the tube - I'm just pointing out it's actually further evidence of this man's inadequate attitude to dog ownership (as also evidenced by his ban on keeping dogs!) He should never have had these dogs, and so he is solely responsible for their deaths. Its his fault and no one else's.

Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 12:12

Florenz · 13/05/2023 12:06

"Murder" refers to the unlawful killing of human beings not dogs. Dogs are not human beings, they are animals. No-one would be nearly as upset if they saw the police killing a rat.

You are of course right but the fact that they reach for the word murder tells you that in their mind the dog is equivalent to, well, actually above humans, dogs are fetished and worshipped as if they were gods.
That's why the dog-addled ones can't see sense, it's like a kind of cult 🤷

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 12:19

ironic people are being pernickety about terminology such a ‘murder ‘ but not about the actual facts surrounding what happened here . The dogs did not attack anyone , leads were tangled and the police rocked up and a situation that should never have happened occurred.

sadly there are lots of judgemental people here who don’t seem to get this.

GSD20 · 13/05/2023 12:26

But the owner of the small dog stated that her dog was bitten by one of the dogs so not tangled in leads and tripped.

I feel sorry for the dogs. Sorry they had such a shit owner who wasn’t responsible and failed to protect them from situations like this. Who failed to act reasonably and cooperate with the police to give them a chance. Who took possession of animals he was banned from keeping because he failed the last ones in the same way. The anger towards the police is completely misplaced.

ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch · 13/05/2023 12:30

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 12:19

ironic people are being pernickety about terminology such a ‘murder ‘ but not about the actual facts surrounding what happened here . The dogs did not attack anyone , leads were tangled and the police rocked up and a situation that should never have happened occurred.

sadly there are lots of judgemental people here who don’t seem to get this.

The situation that should never have occurred is this banned owner keeping dogs. The relevant facts are that he was proven to be inadequate with regards to dog welfare, he breached the ruling and the consequence is his dogs were killed. His fault, from start to finish.

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 12:33

The dogs were not killed because he was not allowed to have them. The dogs were killed because a false report was filed to the police by a member of public who assumed a woman was being mauled by these dogs when in actual fact she fell over some dog leads that were tangled.

Florenz · 13/05/2023 12:35

The dogs lead would have not have been tangled had he not illegally had the dogs in the first place.

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 12:37

@Florenz that is still not a reason to shoot the dogs dead. Come on.

ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch · 13/05/2023 12:40

I guess the investigation might clear up exactly what happened and whose version is correct with regards to the smaller dog being attacked or just tangled in leads but it is certainly the case that these dogs were put in the situation by a man who was banned from owning them in the first place.

Florenz · 13/05/2023 12:40

They're animals! Do you know how many animals we kill in this country every day? If they present any danger whatsoever - and these dogs presented considerable danger due to their breed and their owner - just kill them and move on. There is something very wrong with people who put dogs on a pedestal, who humanize them. Killing a dog is no different to killing a rat, or a fly.

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 12:47

@Florenz no logic to your argument. There is no need to kill someone’s pets when they have done nothing wrong . You obviously have disregard for animals in general.

Toomanybooks22 · 13/05/2023 13:10

Florenz · 13/05/2023 12:40

They're animals! Do you know how many animals we kill in this country every day? If they present any danger whatsoever - and these dogs presented considerable danger due to their breed and their owner - just kill them and move on. There is something very wrong with people who put dogs on a pedestal, who humanize them. Killing a dog is no different to killing a rat, or a fly.

Absolutely vile comments, really disgusting.

Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 13:11

Becky12123 · 13/05/2023 12:47

@Florenz no logic to your argument. There is no need to kill someone’s pets when they have done nothing wrong . You obviously have disregard for animals in general.

This person's 'pets' were out of control dangerous predators, such animals are not suited for being kept as pets.
If you're so concerned about the treatment of animals why aren't you campaigning to stop us all eating meat? why the focus on dogs what about all the other animals that are slaughtered and kept in disgusting conditions?
Instead you indulge yourself with fetishizing and worshiping dogs 😳

Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 13:13

Toomanybooks22 · 13/05/2023 13:10

Absolutely vile comments, really disgusting.

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Thou shall not speak against the holy sacred animal the dog, go and whip yourself in repentance for your blasphemy
What on EARTH is the matter with these dog-addled weirdos😳

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Agreed @Thesharkradar , I am generally a dog-lover, but the length dog fanatics go to to excuse the vicious and dangerous ones is gob-smacking.

Lonelycrab · 13/05/2023 13:22

They were not dangerous predators and they were not out of control

@Becky12123 heres a useful link for you:

https://www.specsavers.co.uk/

ExpatInSlavikLand · 13/05/2023 13:22

@Thesharkradar And your comment got deleted! Wow...

Toomanybooks22 · 13/05/2023 13:22

Some of the messages against dogs on this thread are really bizarre and really do not paint the writers in the light I think they're aiming for, it just crossed the line and sounds ridiculous. Its a common thing to have empathy for animals and I'm pleased that society does question why dogs are killed like this.