Two dogs shot in London by police

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I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

@carly2803 last time I checked I was a woman so no dick extension need here 🫣

People get what they like, some like small dogs, some like medium, some like large, some like giant. Just because you've seen nothing but media stereotypes and probably never came across one doesn't mean they're all bad. There's thousands of these dogs that don't make the media because they've been trained, socialised, and have great temperaments. A well bred bully you will not see in the news.

I can't seem to find a clear account of what happened
Was the owner being pursued by police for a different reason?

Dare I say it there seems to be so much that is unknown , some say the women was not treated for any injuries . Is there even any proof that these indeed were the dogs and owner they were looking for .

@Lacoeur it's not clear whether that actually happened I don't think.

The police statement said no one was taken to hospital. And someone who was "savaged" definitely would be.

If the dogs were out of control and knocked her over that's enough I think. Doesn't have to be hospitalised, if it was a child or elderly person they could die.

Im not saying that in all cases the dog or its owner are know to the person being bitten but from experience I suspect this is the most common occurrence.
Im genuinely very sorry about what happened to your 6 yr old cousin and sadly Ive seen similar injuries and so often the dog owner looks stunned and says "he would never hurt a fly" (although this may in some cases be a failure of the owner to understand dog body language) but muzzling a dog in public place would not have prevented this unless dogs in their own homes/gardens have also to be muzzled and that really would be impossible to enforce. No law can cover every possible eventuality.
I still think think the best solution to better behaved dogs is to make breeders, owners and rescue centres responsible for a dogs behaviour.

@Boomboom22 the words being used are savaged and mauled. Not knocked over. And I disagree - you can shoot a dog for knocking someone over 🤦‍♀️

I'll be interested to see the truth of exactly what happened tbh. If we ever get to find out.

I've not heard of a single case where a French bulldog or collie has killed a child. Not one.

I think it's time to phase out pet ownership. Bad for the environment and an unnecessary distortion of what an animal's life should be. Nobody has the right to own another being.

When you get French bulldogs out of control to the point where their owners can't restrain them, then there's a point.

But it's XL bully dogs, owned by er, bullying antisocial people.

People are bad for the environment too. Should they be phased out?

Sadly I've seen quite a few serous life changing bites from a French bulldog often of children (including someone who works for my husband who's grandson received a life changing bite from his mothers French bulldog in his own home) and a from collies.
I do think we have to accept a lot of it is sheer numbers of a particular breed French bulldogs are very popular so statistically you are more likely to see someone whose had a bite from one of these than from an otter hound which I believe is one of the rarest breeds of dog in the UK. My own dog is a rare breed most people don't even know what he is, they are bred by breed obsessed dedicated breeders, it's these sort of breeders that breed for temperament as much a physical characteristics and good health, prospective purchasers of puppies are carefully scrutinised because the breeder wants the best outcome for the dog. French bull dogs on the other hand who are rightly or wrongly exceedingly popular dogs are often bred by unethical breeders who just want to charge the maximum price to make the most money they can out of them. Certain "desirable" colour and excessively distorted features make the dog more valuable a good reliable temperament is definitely not the number 1 priority for unethical breeders of French bull dogs.

You'll never take my cat

@Jonei She/he really really wanted to say ban but decided to use another word 😁

@jonei Obviously we are not going to tell humans to stop breeding, but we could certainly clean up our environmental behaviour.
@dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway Your cat could live out its natural life. Phased means a gradual reduction and a change in societal mindset.

So you would put every dog that isn't a service dog e.g. works for the police guide dog etc down? How sad a world that would be. Whilst you're at it we'd better destroy every cow horse and sheep because they admit methane, and maybe for good measures let's chuck in elephants giraffes and zebra as well. And of course human being as we are also not good for the environment.
I am prepared to accept that dogs might be bad for the environment but so are cars, gas powered power stations, plastic packaging, in fact Im prepared to bet a years wages that these are worse for the environment than dogs. But dogs also bring many positives into peoples lives.

@jonei It is now unacceptable for us to own other humans, aka slavery. One day we will think the same about pets, however pampered they may be.

As a dog lover i'm appalled and disturbed whenever I see 'thug humans' with obvious aggressive dogs. The dogs look miserable and appear to be treated badly in order to encourage aggression.

I believe the police did these dogs a favour taking them out of the miserable life they were being subjected to.

What happens to these dogs when said owners go to jail etc? They have been trained to be aggressive to others, including dogs. There is no hope for them.

Dogs are naturally kind.

Oh fuck
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong. You aren't actually comparing dog ownership to owning a slave are you?!

So no pets? Whilst you're at it "phase out" all farm animals to reduce methane emissions, in fact let's "phase out" all ungulates.

@Corgiowner No need to kill anything. Phase out the idea of pet ownership, and yes I am up for phasing out factory farming too. Any wild animal is living its natural life, obeying instincts and has autonomy. But owning a pet means castrating or spaying them and imposing an unnatural lifestyle on them for our pleasure.

@Daisysdandy Yes, because that is what ownership of another being means.

No I very much doubt we will think the same way about pets. The UK certainly is a nation of animal lovers. And they won't be giving up their pets. Even if people like you don't approve. And nor should they.

Lol. You are on a wind up. You know full well owning a pet is not the same as slavery.

I have been told in the past that some of these poor dogs are "trained" with tasers (which are illegal but apparently fairly freely available for purchase).

It is one of the reasons they become so aggressive - they are literally driven mad with pain.