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Two dogs shot in London by police

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flowagurl · 08/05/2023 08:40

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

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Jonei · 08/05/2023 13:11

i have felt fearful of these dogs after never having fear of any dog , my colleagues feel the same.

Same.

Goodoccasionallypoor · 08/05/2023 13:12

Eightiesgirl · 08/05/2023 13:03

@Goodoccasionallypoor and as I said in my post, I won't be made to feel guilty for feeling pity for two animals that have been put in the position of having their lives ended in such a horrific way, due to not being looked after and trained properly by some idiot of an owner.

Who's trying to make you feel guilty? This isn't anything to do with you or your feelings.

But posts hand wringing about the police action here are out of order.

If you find yourself in a situation where an out of control dog is lunging at you, feel free to let everyone know that you want the dog's needs put before yours!

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whyhere · 08/05/2023 13:14

Toooldtoworry · 08/05/2023 10:25

You believe what you want because it fits your narrative.

I'm going to bow out of this thread because the vast majority just see a bull breed and think 'chav owner, that dog is a killer'. With most that's as far from the truth as you can get, I am adult enough to see that you won't change your mind, and I'm not in the mind to try.

Was the police right to kill the dogs, yes they were. Would my dogs be in that situation, or 90% of bull breed owners? No chance.

Have a nice day.

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100% agree.

Eightiesgirl · 08/05/2023 13:14

@Thesharkradar I couldn't care less if you call me a stupid stupid person. I felt pity for the dogs being shot like that and I make no apology for it. I read about a rampaging bull on the loose being shot dead the other day and I felt sorry for that poor creature too. If that makes you have to resort to insulting me for being an animal lover then that's up to you. Nowhere have I said I don't care about the police. They were obviously put in a terrible, frightening position by the idiot owner who is the only one at fault here.

BurntOutGirl · 08/05/2023 13:16

So... I've just seen the footage showing the first dog being shot.

The owner let go of the dog and it went towards the police.

Footage cut off when the second dog was caught in the handle thing so l don't know the circumstances of how that was killed.

whyhere · 08/05/2023 13:17

Over40Overdating · 08/05/2023 10:41

And for what it’s worth, the sweetest, softest, best natured dogs I’ve ever met have, without fail, been bull breeds with responsible owners who put huge amounts of time and effort into their socialisation.

The worst have been ‘family’ dogs that were bought as pups and left to raise themselves by people who think ownership begins and ends at feeding.

Exactly right. My boy staffie has gone to doggy daycare with a specialist bull breed company from the first week he came to me. Do I 100% trust him? Of course not - he's an animal! But he's the best-behaved dog I've ever owned, and is regularly asked to work with vulnerable people because of his nature.

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/05/2023 13:18

SunnySaturdayMorning · 08/05/2023 10:18

“Loving nature” 🤣🤣🤣

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I don't know anything about American bull dogs, but staffies are the best house dog we've ever had. They are affectionate and gentle with family members and with other family animals.

We don't have them now because there is so much controversy about them. Neither of us can be bothered with the random abuse we got as owners of a bull breed any more. Every time there was attack, by any dog, anywhere in the world (or that's what it felt like), reported on TV we got it in the neck from complete strangers who blamed our well-trained, leashed dogs for someone else being bitten.

But yes - they ARE loving.

TwoFluffyDogsOnMyBed · 08/05/2023 13:18

It’s scarier for dog owners because we attract other dogs….I was always scared of certain breeds but since getting two small dogs of my own I’ve got three of us to protect.

I tend to avoid city parks and any commons which are adjacent to rougher areas. I drive out to country parks or National Trust properties because I know it’s unlikely we’ll encounter any aggressive dogs off lead. We do regularly walk past aggressive dogs but if they’re on lead and with a responsible owner then it doesn’t really matter. They’re often breeds that you would expect to be aggressive such as greyhounds. Often the SBT’s are very placid.

If I walk in the city I usually stick to roads and I always carry a k9 defence spray. I’ve never had to use it but it gives me more confidence. I wouldn’t hesitate to use it on a human too.

Needmoresleep · 08/05/2023 13:19

I was on a crowded train earlier in the week, and the woman who sat on the seat next to me had a big muscular dog, sort of a bull dog type. When it became clear that people could not get past if he stood in the aisle, he sat on her lap. Ie less than a foot away from me. A two hour journey. I acted as if he was not there, careful not to make eye contact or interact and he was fine. But a weird thing to put a stranger through. If I felt uncomfortable, others would surely have been very anxious.

Ditto, obviously, large dogs not on leads. Just having a dog jump up when he was a toddler has left my now adult son wary of all dogs.

Thesharkradar · 08/05/2023 13:19

loislovesstewie · 08/05/2023 13:10

I think as well, that the problem with some breeds is that when they bite they don't nip and then let go, but bite and hang on. Some breeds were specifically bred to do that,to attack a bull for example and then hold on while it bled out. I'm not suggesting that most breeds won't do some damage /harm or even death, but I do believe that some, maybe after provocation, will return to what they were bred for.

normal dog if it goes for you an adult could fight it off well before it kills you,
one of these dogs you've got no chance, you're going to be maimed or killed,
you won't be able to outrun it, the only chance you've got to save yourself is if you or someone else in the vicinity has a gun and can shoot it
This is an urban area we shouldn't have to be armed to the teeth because of people's 'pets'
I really hope this is a turning point

Shhhquirrel · 08/05/2023 13:20

Eightiesgirl · 08/05/2023 12:49

@Goodoccasionallypoor I'm sure the poor woman was absolutely terrified too and of course I feel extremely sorry for her. However, it doesn't stop me feeling sorry for two frightened animals, who are put in the position of being shot dead by the police due to most likely being irresponsibly bred and then not looked after and trained properly. I work with an animal rescue charity and the majority of the dogs we get dumped on us are bully breeds. The way they have been treated and used as if they were worthless is horrendous and heartbreaking. We pick up the pieces and try to look after dogs that are neglected, confused and frightened and sadly, sometimes because of the terrible way they have been treated, they can behave aggressively. I won't be made to feel guilty by anyone for feeling sorry for them.

Absolutely agree with you.
My sympathies are with poor woman attacked.
However I also feel sad for those dogs, they never stood a chance from the moment they were born.
Irresponsible dog ownership is a blight on our society.

BigglyBee · 08/05/2023 13:21

AudibleEyeroll · 08/05/2023 09:31

I’ve seen some really, really nasty injuries from both. A French bulldog is quite capable of doing serious damage to a child particularly and collies can be downright vicious. Can’t actually remember the last time I saw a report of a bully breed biting and most have been nips or small puncture wounds.

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I've kept collies for 30 years and I wholeheartedly agree. They tend to bond with one person and can be overprotective. Plus, the majority kept as pets are bored, which can lead to aggression. They need loads of training and very firm discipline.

I've seen collies do terrible damage. To sheep, not people, but I can't see there being much of a difference in the end result. (As an aside, a surprising number of people think it's fine to let their pet collie in a field with sheep, because they are sheepdogs innit. It never ends well and usually leads to the death of the dog).

whyhere · 08/05/2023 13:21

Iamclearlyamug · 08/05/2023 11:08

@SunnySaturdayMorning part of the problem for owning well trained, well socialised, well rounded dogs? What's the matter with you?

It is the OWNER not the dog breed that causes issues. I also have an SBT who is immaculately well trained, with a perfect recall and the best family dog I could wish for - he and my DD11 are utterly inseparable.

Just because some of these poor dog breeds have been unfortunate enough to be selected by morons as their 'dog of choice' absolutely does not mean they cannot be lovely lovely dogs under the correct ownership and management

This . 100% this

MeridianB · 08/05/2023 13:21

SleazyLizzard · 08/05/2023 08:47

The owner doesn’t need counselling they need prison.

This.

Dog owners that cannot control their dogs and those who think it’s no big deal for their dogs to attack humans or other dogs. There’s no place for them in a civilised society and consequences should be harsh.

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2023 13:22

Toooldtoworry · 08/05/2023 09:23

My dogs are not on the dangerous dogs list. You are projecting your fear on my dogs. Not all dogs are the same, or act the same. Like not all humans are the same, or act so.

What you're proposing is genocide of a certain breed of dog because of your fear.

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Your use of the term 'genocide' in this context is really offensive.

Thesharkradar · 08/05/2023 13:24

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2023 13:22

Your use of the term 'genocide' in this context is really offensive.

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Offensive, but illuminating

IWantRebeccasConfidence · 08/05/2023 13:25

Watching the footage is useful thanks @RoseBucket
The guy wouldn’t let police take and check his dogs and said they were protecting him and he was making the situation worse. They tried everything with the dog handlers to take the dogs but he already knew he had dangerous dogs and he had met them attack someone and he knew they would be killed anyway. I hope he is charged and people see the police did the right thing

mortifiedmomma · 08/05/2023 13:25

The second dog wasn't aggressive at all. He tried to run away from the police, he ran to his owner whimpering after he was shot the first time.
That woman who was so badly attacked they had to kill the dogs, wasn't taken to the hospital.

Two dogs shot in London by police
PutinSmellsPassItOn · 08/05/2023 13:26

There really needs to be something done about the legislation around these XL type bully breeds.......usually bred by dickheads with no bloody clue what they're doing then going on to be owned by even bigger dickheads.

My ds had a very lucky escape a couple of years ago with one of these dogs, it was off lead and completely out of control. The owner resorted to kicking it in the stomach to get it away, showing how completely fucking clueless he was and the sort of treatment it was getting. Even more worrying they had 2 small dc with them, it was absolutely terrifying and I've gone from someone who used to love all dogs to having a real fear of them now.

whyhere · 08/05/2023 13:27

Scalottia · 08/05/2023 11:55

Dogs chasing/killing rabbits or other small animals is not indicative that they will kill small children. That's not how dogs work.

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Exactly!

FrostyFifi · 08/05/2023 13:30

That woman who was so badly attacked they had to kill the dogs, wasn't taken to the hospital

She shouldn't have been attacked at all. Very good thing that she wasn't seriously injured.

whyhere · 08/05/2023 13:31

Goodoccasionallypoor · 08/05/2023 12:33

*Not everyone could afford that - either financially or timewise. You'd make owning a dog a preserve of the wealthy.

@SerendipityJane*

Anyone saying they don't have time to train their dog should not have a dog. I don't care in the slightest if that means some people can't have them.

Agree.

isitshe · 08/05/2023 13:32

SunnySaturdayMorning · 08/05/2023 09:18

No, you’re not a responsible owner, because you’re keeping a dangerous breed of dog that should be banned.

All of them need rounding up and PTS, then we can reset by banning the breed.

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@SunnySaturdayMorning would you also support rounding up and PTS any breed with genetic problems, such as pugs, to do a reset? I'd like to see breeding of those poor dogs with health problems stopped.

Which breeds are acceptable to you?
I know someone who was bitten by a JRT, the postie's favourite. Should they be rounded up & PTS?
In the ROI German Shepherds have to be muzzled in public, not so in NI as UK law applies. Should GSDs be rounded up & PTS even though the security forces rely on them?

I agree that certain traits are bred in, and certain people want certain tendencies and big exaggerated features, but the solution is not doing a mass cull of the dogs. How on earth would that work? Unscrupulous breeders will always exist.
The law needs to come down harder on the people involved.

And @Toooldtoworry has SBTs as well as the ABBB and sounds incredibly responsible. Are you calling for a ban on all bully breeds? Staffies, boxers etc.?