Two dogs shot in London by police

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I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

Strange how there's all this pearl clutching over bully breeds but last week when a child was attacked by a doodle cross in a pub garden and the owners did a runner there wasn't a single thread about it.
Maybe judge the deed and not the breed.

@Goodoccasionallypoor I'm sure the poor woman was absolutely terrified too and of course I feel extremely sorry for her. However, it doesn't stop me feeling sorry for two frightened animals, who are put in the position of being shot dead by the police due to most likely being irresponsibly bred and then not looked after and trained properly. I work with an animal rescue charity and the majority of the dogs we get dumped on us are bully breeds. The way they have been treated and used as if they were worthless is horrendous and heartbreaking. We pick up the pieces and try to look after dogs that are neglected, confused and frightened and sadly, sometimes because of the terrible way they have been treated, they can behave aggressively. I won't be made to feel guilty by anyone for feeling sorry for them.

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@RatSlave it was a German Wire-haired Pointer. Awful behaviour from the owner. Can’t understand it.

Unfortunately dogs are too easy to buy. Have a scroll through freeads and you’ll see XL Bully’s for sale for ££££, some of which are older and looking for a new home due to ‘change of circumstances’. Utterly ridiculous they are trying to make their money back and sell their problem on. At least go to a rehoming facility and surrender.

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But your comment was in agreement with @Bluebells1970 who said they shouldn't have been shot and should have been taken away and PTS.

I'm no lover of the Met in general, but expecting them to risk getting bitten (which would have been highly likely in this scenario) by out of control dogs so the dog can get a better death is just ridiculous.

I own a Rottweiler who is the biggest mush you could ever meet and likely to lick you if I let her. I see so much irresponsible dog owning and so many people who should have been made to do training with their dogs - including a lot of people with smaller dogs who let them run up to mine barking and snarling. I think dogs need to be licensed and if you have a dog license, you should have to prove that you successfully completed training classes or can pass an equivalent test. And we need more dog parks so people are able to exercise their dogs off lead safely.

This ^. Best breed I've ever owned.

If this were the exchange, I'd say the owner murdered his own dogs. Good on the police and a much-needed lesson for unco-operative owners.

Err.... except that this just isn't true!

Wtf is the matter with these dumb as a rocks dog people, do you really expect the police to care about giving the dog a dignified death when they're at risk of significant injury from an out of control large muscular predator.
It's not an endangered species, it's a dog.
You stupid stupid person
I salute the police for their bravery, I hope this is their go-to response now- find and destroy the dog on the spot.

Again, completely untrue.

The only breed of dog that has consistently attacked EVERY breed of dog I've ever had is the German Shepherd. Do I think they should all be banned? No - I just steer well clear and have trained my staffie to do exactly what I say, which keeps him out of danger and away from potential false allegations.

@Goodoccasionallypoor and as I said in my post, I won't be made to feel guilty for feeling pity for two animals that have been put in the position of having their lives ended in such a horrific way, due to not being looked after and trained properly by some idiot of an owner.

Absolutely true: it's not for nothing that they've been known as 'nanny dogs' for so many years.

This proto-homimid is typical of the owner of these types of dogs, let's hope they all respond in the same way and all their dogs get shot
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Where is the full footage?

I agree re: akitas.

I've known four, and three were treacherous.

It’s definitely an issue in the uk I 10000% blame the owners though not the dogs. You should always be in full control of your pet and take their temperament into consideration and not to put them/any person/other dog into the position something could go wrong- obviously to the best you can, if you walk your reactive dog in a quiet area and someone happens to be there that can/will happen but they should always have them on the lead take them as far off the path as they can while anyone passes with some positive reinforcement/treats to distract them).

Though, (hard hat on) I don’t agree dogs should always be on their lead when they are well socialised and have recall at the stage they come back first time every time. I have a border collie who I walk off the lead all the time she has no interest in other dogs (happy to be on their company but no interest in playing with them) or people (unless they are willing to throw her ball). There are actually lots of kids in the neighbourhood who will ask for a shot of throwing her ball when we are at the park (field park not swing park) and I’ve no intention to change that.

I used to have a border collie and he was way less trustworthy than my staffie, much as I loved him!

Another person who doesn't have enough brain cells to realize that there is a need to distinguish between propensity to bite and ability to cause damage

Staffies are bull terriers. Staffordshire Bull Terriers. I hate this rebranding of them to make them sound less threatening. They scare me. Grew up in the Black Country in the 70s where they were ubiquitous. They scared me as a kid and I’m wary of them now.

The comment about injuries from collies and French bulldogs, when out and about I see loads of French bulldogs and quite a lot of collies. So far I can count on one had the XL bully dogs I have seen. So it’s understandable that those other breeds cause more injuries because there are so many more.

Any dog is fine if it has good recall and doesn’t approach strangers unless encouraged to by the person wanting to interact. The issue is so many owners seem to not train their dogs.

First of all i think the dangerous dogs act /list needs a complete update .
The breeds that we are repeatedly seeing in the press are relatively new in the dog world and aren't even on the list .
Many of the people buying them don't really know what mix they are buying so they are an unknown quantity, take a look on the appalling pet selling websites to see what is out there, there are some terrifying looking dogs with owners wanting a quick sale no questions asked, i have lately even seen 'micro bullys', the mind boggles with how much damage idiots are causing to dogs and then the damage that dog can potentially cause.
Then i think owners should be able to own and keep one only of these breeds in an average 3 bed home .
On a lead in public at all times - a proper dog controllable lead not just a harness ,muzzled in public and if appropriate behaviour wise for the individual male dog castrated and all bitches spayed.
All owners /dogs compulsory registered with the local authority with spot checks carried out by vet/dog behaviorist , funded by substantial registration fees these owners have to pay by law.
Liability Insurance also for each dog paid to local authority
All regulations / laws made with heavy veterinary in put not a few government bods looking at a few pictures , which is how it seemed at the beginning a long time ago.
I emphasise vet input as someone who works in this field , i agree with lots of previous posters there are many dog breeds that will bite but the majority of them do not have the capacity to tear you limb from limb.
My suggestions are aimed towards these xl bully 'types' we all know the types that are mainly responsible for these serious attacks ,but any responsible dog owner should be able to register should they choose to do so.
Micro chipping has many flaws as so many stray dogs turn up chipped with out of date or unregistered details making the owner untraceable in lots of cases.
Really i don't know what the solution is but changes need to be made now.
I have decades of experience in my field and over the last few years i am seeing dogs of the like i have never seen before that a strong man would not be able to control if needs be , i have felt fearful of these dogs after never having fear of any dog , my colleagues feel the same.

Absolutely true.

The local Facebook detectives quickly sprang into action and found the people were staying at a nearby campsite. Their details have been passed to the police.

I think as well, that the problem with some breeds is that when they bite they don't nip and then let go, but bite and hang on. Some breeds were specifically bred to do that,to attack a bull for example and then hold on while it bled out. I'm not suggesting that most breeds won't do some damage /harm or even death, but I do believe that some, maybe after provocation, will return to what they were bred for.