Local election results

[KenAdams]

Is anyone following the local election results?

It's not looking good for the Tories is it?

I have a question if anyone can answer it for me - NW Leicestershire has been declared "hung" due to no majority. However, Labour have 18 seats and the Conservatives 12. How is that not considered a majority?

Always been a Labour voter however diddnt vote Corbyn and won't wote Starmer either labour need a decent leader.

So you haven't always been a Labour supporter then as you have listed two Labour Leaders who you haven't voted for. So you voted for Blair or are you not that old?

OP - you need to hold 50% of all the seats to be in control - Lab have 17 (not 18), Con 12, LD 5 and Other 4. So Lab have 17 seats and the rest have 21 seats.

The thing is though that a lot of these Brexity voting type places may have been pro Brexit but aren't necessarily pro the Tory's other policies or priorities. Brexit is out the equation now in those places.

However in places that have more high earning professionals and more students/younger people- the fact that Brexit even happened and it's causing issues in jobs and businesses with an international element or a a strong export element goes hugely against the Tory's. Hence why the Tory's are loseing out to the Lib Dem's and greens

Probably closer to 500. They are averaging 1 a day currently 🙄

The Blair witch project was am absolute travesty and yes I voted the bastard in.
He started the corrosion of legal aid and denying the public access to free legal help.
If we can't access a solicitor for our basic rights in day to day stuff we are severely curtailed.

My local hospital became the worst hospital in UK. Local residents were terrified of ending up there and then they didn't due their due diligence on the potential immigration from Eastern bloc countries and unfortunately that put inordinate strain on local hospitals to the point that nearly every day lore horrors were coming off wards into the papers. Hospitals even had to shut doors to women in labour?

Child poverty soared and it was only at the last minute towards the end, browns taxes credits saved the day but they admitted they failed one child poverty.

That's all before they whole Iraq debacle.

What are you basing child poverty soared under Blair on @HaroldeVwilliam? The statistics show otherwise.

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/labours-record-poverty-and-inequality

Lucky the Tories fixed the child poverty issue and the access to legal aid and access to healthcare.

Tories haven't done much to improve maternity services. And obviously the NHS has deteriorated generally since 2010 @HaroldeVwilliam

www.midirs.org/latest-news/news/2022/the-government-must-invest-in-england-s-maternity-services-says-rcm/

I know that. I know very well all the current problems.
. What I detest is people painting the Blair years as some sort of success

No government is ever a complete success, there will always be failiures and mistakes.. But there is no denying that in general the NHS improved massively during the Blair years. The Tories have trashed that progress.

Tell me one thing that has improved under the Tories for ordinary people?

The Blair years were overall pretty successful. Investment in the NHS and reduction in waiting lists, introduction of SureStart and nursery funding, reintroduction of the NMW to name but a few. By contrast I can think of only one thing the Tories have done that was good which is marriage equality.

I Claudine.

Really? No government is a success?

@pointythings

Yes sure start was an extremely good initiative.

@IClaudine

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on that NHS statement.
Maybe where you live it was rosey but around me it was an extremely dangerous time to get ill or have a baby

That may have been quite a local problem. Quantitatively the NHS was much much better under labour than it was under the previous Tory government or is under this one.

Health outcomes improved massively, life expectancy rose, 4hr targets were met, 12 hr waits were almost unheard of, ambulance times improved, waiting lists were massively cut so that most waits were weeks not months or years. There were more beds per capita, more staff per capita.

My NHS dentist went private in the Blair years, so did many others

@Lonelycrab the hard right will still vote Tory not for Reform or any other party akin to pre-2019 UKIP. Because of the first past the post system.

Still feel that the results do not point to a Labour majority next year.

I see it’s time to bring the evidence out again.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/summary-high-performing-nhs-progress-review-1997-2010-ruth-thorlby-jo-maybin-kings-fund-april-2010_0.pdf

@RafaistheKingofClay

I don't think so. Daily headlines at the time were crying out for midwives and it was utter carnage generally.

Even that link someone posted earlier is actually... Down to tax credits.

Oh dear Emily Thornberry on now.

the hard right will still vote Tory not for Reform or any other party akin to pre-2019 UKIP. Because of the first past the post system

If you’re paying any attention to what a vast load of comments from some of the public on various forms of social media, then no they won’t. There are a sizeable chunk that say the current govt is socialist etc and that they will vote for reform, they see the Tories as not RW enough.

While you have your own experience, memories and opinion @HaroldeVwilliam you are making factually incorrect statements about the period 1997-2010.

Why? It's 2023. We have a Tory government and the country is fucked on multiple levels. That is what voters voted on yesterday and its what voters will be voting on in the next GE.

My kids' NHS dentist went private last week. What's your point?

Difference was that you could easily find another NHS dentist then.

My dentist went private but still covered people who were entitled to free dental treatment under the NHS. Now they don't. You could still fond an NHS dentist locally if you wanted, you can't now.