Local election results

[KenAdams]

Is anyone following the local election results?

It's not looking good for the Tories is it?

I have a question if anyone can answer it for me - NW Leicestershire has been declared "hung" due to no majority. However, Labour have 18 seats and the Conservatives 12. How is that not considered a majority?

Fascinating that it doesn't matter how much GBeebies loses - or the Telegraph or The Times or the Mail. Reinforces that they are just propaganda vehicles for billionaire non dom owners.

I’m sure your husband will soon change your mind.

I hadn't heard of Republic before today so at least they are getting some coverage. And demonstrating how our laws have become twisted to suit a few.

I wonder if that will come back to bite certain interests when there is a change of Government (although I'd hope Labour has the good sense to reverse this crap).

I have asked for those post to be removed as they were meant for different threads, sorry as poster are no replying to them

Sewer swimming was a major pastime. Eat a lump of coal after. Sorted.

Local elections update 11am

229 councils declared / 1 outstanding (Redcar & Cleveland)

Net Seat changes

C -1,064
L +528
LD +407
G +241
Other -112

Net Council changes

C-49
L+22
LD +12
G +1
Other (mostly ‘No Overall Control’) +14

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1654787277653004288?s=20

a bit like playing Pooh sticks

The Conservative leadership partying while people were unable to say goodbye to loved ones will be forgotten in the same way Hillsborough is forgotten in Liverpool.

Don't hold your hopes up that will be anytime soon, our dc will one say be voters with long memories.

The Conservative leadership partying while people were unable to say goodbye to loved ones will be forgotten in the same way Hillsborough is forgotten in Liverpool.

Excellent analogy, speaking as one who lost a loved one at that time, and couldn't visit them in their last days, while the Tories were partying. Hard to forget.

Ooh, I wonder if the Tories will bring back the manufacturing of torture equipment as well? We used to be a world leading, major producer until the spoil sport Labour government came to power in the nineties and banned it. I remember the Tory party at the time arguing strongly against a ban 'British jobs depend on the production of torture equipment '.
The government could bring the industry back and we could be world leading again!

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England and Wales will not get you a Labour majority.

Current polling and the local elections indicate that Labour are on course for a considerable majority of seats in England.

Do you have any evidence to support your statement?

Ignore opinion polls some 18 months before a GE. The next GE will be decided on three things:

1. Whether Victoria Newton, Gary Jones or Ted Verity feel they can support Keir Starmer.
2. Boats.
3. A catastrophic economic event that affects most earners.

1. They say they will at the moment and did last week,.
2. How did the vote go in Dover and Medway for those who want to incite hatred about desperate people arriving legally in boats?
3. Liz Truss has yet to be forgiven, I would be surprised if people forget in the next 18months that the reason they can't afford what they used to be able to is the Tory party and its policy of self enrichment at everyone else's expense.

But you go on ignoring all the available evidence if you like.

I am looking at ALL the available evidence, thank you. I am also not a natural Conservative voter. Do your research.

So you agree that the available evidence from opinion polls and the local elections this year and last is that the Tories are deeply unpopular and Labour are on track to be the next government.

Marvellous.

Yes I agree with your analysis that the Tories are deeply unpopular.

However, it is still too early to call the result of a General Election that is over 18 months away. Labour will need to be deeply popular across the whole of the UK form a majority government and I am far from sure they will achieve that. The UK has been centre right for nearly 50 years and I do not feel Starmer / Rayner have the gravitas to change that. This far out from a General Election then I would expect a conservative government to get a hammering, especially on the NHS. But I can 100% assure you that those who traditionally vote conservative at a GE will start to return over this year and next. Labour are not ready to stop that.

From John Curtice:

Nevertheless, while Labour's Projected National Share was seven points up on what it achieved in May 2019, the party's tally is no better than its score in last year's local elections. This raises questions about whether the outcome was more an expression of discontent with the government than enthusiasm for Labour's alternative.

I don't think this is a bad thing though.
I think we really need electoral reform in the you. I disagree that the UK is a right wing country, like the USA (with majority pro choice and gun control) it's just that because of our electoral system, right wing parties, with minority support, keep winning power. This really needs to change, a hung parliament might bring that about, or at least is the best hope we have of bringing it about.

@Chatillon there's strong evidence of tactical voting in this year's local elections. And it's likely that will be magnified going into a GE.

Personally I'd like to see a Lib/Lab coalition - the Lib Dems have already ruled out another coalition with the Tories. The LDs can then put pressure on Labour for a move towards PR, which we badly need in the UK.

Personally I'd like to see a Lib/Lab coalition

Me too, would even say a Lib/Lab/Green coalition, the Greens would be valuable for Labours pledge to push for more environmental energy production.

@Lonelycrab you won't get greens in a coalition unless you have PR in place because they are unlikely to get more than 1 or 2 MPs. It would either be Lib Dem's or SNP - depending on numbers needed and if the Lib Dem's get a good number of MPs they would undoubtedly be the partner labour would call on

I think a Lab/Lib coalition is plausible. It may be the only realistic outcome, with strong concessions to the Lib Dems.

There has been a lot of tactical voting for sure.

Quite interesting how Tory's are spinning it so it doesn't seem that disastrous. Personally I think they had the cheek of the devil to not call a general election after changing a leader3 times without one and when it's clear based on local elections that over60% of population that bothered to vote voted centre or centre left. Either local elections matter in seeing which way the wind blows or they don't. If I was the Tory's I would shut up at the moment rather than try and spin it. Trying to deny it was an abysmal showing makes them look totally naive . If you start losing support in places like Guildford or Blackpool (totally opposite ends of the voter spectrum) - you have an issue

Luckily for the Tories the coronation happened, bread & circuses, distraction at just the right time.