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Local election results

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KenAdams · 05/05/2023 07:51

Is anyone following the local election results?

It's not looking good for the Tories is it?

I have a question if anyone can answer it for me - NW Leicestershire has been declared "hung" due to no majority. However, Labour have 18 seats and the Conservatives 12. How is that not considered a majority?

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RafaistheKingofClay · 05/05/2023 14:29

historically, low turn out tends to benefit the Tories and disadvantage labour. If past elections are anything to go by (and they may not be because of vote suppression) the gap between lab and con in a GE will be greater than the one today.

Abhannmor · 05/05/2023 14:31

BlackieGrey · 05/05/2023 08:40

Yes, because the Tories have done such a fab job in the last few years...

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Yeah it's mid-term blues innit? The Tories are only halfway through their 26 year term of government after all.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/05/2023 14:36

I am so sick of hearing I'm politically homeless. Your political home is the UK. Politics is not football, where you support your local/historical team forever out of loyalty.

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Giggorata · 05/05/2023 14:43

What a shame you're sick of people making a perfectly valid point (albeit with a well worn phrase) that they feel we have only bad choices to make from piss poor politicians and policies.
The rest of your point is a bit strange, because a lot of people do precisely that, support the same party or team, regardless.
And my point is that I am not doing that. I am looking for policies, with which I can get on board. Without much joy.

borntobequiet · 05/05/2023 14:48

Blossomtoes · 05/05/2023 11:02

I’m 70 in August. I remember the Blair/Brown governments well. Please can I have some more?

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I’m about the same age as you, Blossom - a month’s difference.
The Blair/Brown governments did a lot of good. The devastation since 2010 under various Conservative governments has been incalculable. (I had high hopes of the Coalition as a way forward for the country, but was mistaken.)

Johnson and Truss have been a particular low mark, neither should have been allowed anywhere near power, being bad and mad respectively.

MakesMeFeelSad · 05/05/2023 14:53

MaisieMay23 · 05/05/2023 09:40

It would be interesting to know the age if posters.

I think the ones behind labour are mostly young people who weren't adults last time Labour were in. Or were but too young/not interested enough to see the damage they did.

KS, is a complete waste of space. At the very least the need a more credible Leader.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 05/05/2023 14:53

If everyone was a floating voter maybe politicians and their policies would be better. I think it's unthinking, immature and detrimental to have lifelong loyalty to any party. All it does is allows political parties to take their voters for granted and for a ride.

Your political home is the UK. Vote to make it better.

Giggorata · 05/05/2023 14:55

We are certainly agreed on that!

Goldenbear · 05/05/2023 15:04

Cornettoninja · 05/05/2023 14:21

Tbh it sounds to me like you’re skirting around the edges of ‘they’re all the same; there’s no point/I spoil my ballot’ trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility or engagement in the political system.

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I agree with this comment and other posters' and think it applies to other posters' displaying this weary cynicism. Not being engaged with who governs us by not voting or basing your vote on one issue represent how extreme party politics has become now. I think we should be striving for the moderate, the centre and find ways of working that redeem what is wrong in society both nationally and internationally, the cynicism is enslaving us and is not going to help our children and future generations.

I really worry about the demise of politics and people latching on to populist commentators/individuals, usually international businessmen, for answers to problems that democratically elected governments used to answer. Ironically, our cynicism over democracy has caused its demise.

LlynTegid · 05/05/2023 15:08

I would be disappointed if I was Keir Starmer or any of his front bench. When you consider by next year and the GE the inflation rate will be lower, party gate forgotten, and factor in voter ID and boundary changes, I would not expect to get a majority, only be the largest party. Best chance for Labour would be if the SNP implode even further and people north of the border turn to them in enough numbers to win say 20 more seats there.

England and Wales will not get you a Labour majority.

pointythings · 05/05/2023 15:10

@Giggorata if you really think they are all as bad as the Tories, you haven't been paying attention.

That said, this country really needs PR so that we can have new parties across the political spectrum with a real chance of representation in parliament. And yes, that means coalitions and some dreadful people getting in. But it will be democratic and every vote will count.

Goldenbear · 05/05/2023 15:11

Giggorata · 05/05/2023 14:43

What a shame you're sick of people making a perfectly valid point (albeit with a well worn phrase) that they feel we have only bad choices to make from piss poor politicians and policies.
The rest of your point is a bit strange, because a lot of people do precisely that, support the same party or team, regardless.
And my point is that I am not doing that. I am looking for policies, with which I can get on board. Without much joy.

How deeply did you look in to this. I am unsure how from the array of parties none of them have anything that appeals.

I can't imagine not voting, my Mum made it clear to me that this was not an option!

DontMakeMeShushYou · 05/05/2023 15:18

MaisieMay23 · 05/05/2023 09:40

It would be interesting to know the age if posters.

I think the ones behind labour are mostly young people who weren't adults last time Labour were in. Or were but too young/not interested enough to see the damage they did.

KS, is a complete waste of space. At the very least the need a more credible Leader.

Well I'm well in my 50s and a left-of-centre voter so make of that what you will.

(For the mathematically challenged it means I was between my mid-20s and early 40s when Labour were last in charge of the country, so very much old enough and interested enough to remember. Also very much old enough and interested enough to remember the endless boom-bust-boom-bust cycle of the Tories prior to that, as well as the even worse performance of this latest lot of incompetents.)

MammaTo · 05/05/2023 15:31

Rainyday35 · 05/05/2023 08:37

Depressing news to wake up to. Everyone believes Labour can wave some magic wand and everything will go back to normal! I think things will actually get worse under a Labour government if that’s what happens in the next GE…

Yeah because the current government are doing such a sterling job.

MermaidEyes · 05/05/2023 15:41

Laughing at the BBC news headline - "Conservative sniping starts over losses." Always looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

Lonelycrab · 05/05/2023 15:47

LlynTegid · 05/05/2023 15:08

I would be disappointed if I was Keir Starmer or any of his front bench. When you consider by next year and the GE the inflation rate will be lower, party gate forgotten, and factor in voter ID and boundary changes, I would not expect to get a majority, only be the largest party. Best chance for Labour would be if the SNP implode even further and people north of the border turn to them in enough numbers to win say 20 more seats there.

England and Wales will not get you a Labour majority.

You’re not factoring in though that the Tory vote will likely be split, the hard right, ukip end of their previous support will go for reform next time round. Many more moderate Tories will vote for alternatives too and what’s left will be a fraction of what they got last time round.

MermaidEyes · 05/05/2023 15:50

My town has been Tory for decades, but today Labour won with wards they've never even got a look in before.

IClaudine · 05/05/2023 15:50

Lonelycrab · 05/05/2023 15:47

You’re not factoring in though that the Tory vote will likely be split, the hard right, ukip end of their previous support will go for reform next time round. Many more moderate Tories will vote for alternatives too and what’s left will be a fraction of what they got last time round.

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Yep. Plus people seem to have really got the hang of tactical voting.

wildinthecountry · 05/05/2023 15:52

MermaidEyes · 05/05/2023 15:41

Laughing at the BBC news headline - "Conservative sniping starts over losses." Always looking for anyone to blame but themselves.

Have I read it right that allies of Liz and Boris are sticking the boot in to Sunak ? Like all of them haven't got dirty hands .🙄

MermaidEyes · 05/05/2023 15:55

@wildinthecountry I read it as that too. Blaming him for their mistakes because he's been there as long as they have and supposedly was desperate to boot them out so he could become PM. Like kids in the schoolyard!

Hell121 · 05/05/2023 15:57

Spoiling your ballot is a legitimate part of taking part in the process and they are counted. I would never not vote either but no party currently is representing to me a positive choice. Ultimately my next vote will be with my feet - I’m leaving the country permanently at the end of the year - and the brain drain of high earning professionals like me and DH will continue. I’d rather pay tax in a system with functioning services and not continue to pay into an utterly broken system here in the UK.

Hoppinggreen · 05/05/2023 15:57

BashStreetKid · 05/05/2023 12:54

So what exactly have the Tories done over 13 years in power to promote the interests of women?

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They have set the cause of women in positions of power back decades by picking ones that were incompetent/awful or both

RafaistheKingofClay · 05/05/2023 16:01

It’s either the fault of Rishi, or Liz and Boris or is actually a good midterm result and they were expecting to lose 1000 seats depending on which Tory you ask. If you don’t like those, there’s also it’s a total disaster and but Labour haven’t done as well as they should.
I’m sure remoaners, leftie lawyers, the woke and tactical voting will get a look in at some point.

IClaudine · 05/05/2023 16:02

I think Gullis mentioned leftie lawyers.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/05/2023 16:08

LlynTegid · 05/05/2023 15:08

I would be disappointed if I was Keir Starmer or any of his front bench. When you consider by next year and the GE the inflation rate will be lower, party gate forgotten, and factor in voter ID and boundary changes, I would not expect to get a majority, only be the largest party. Best chance for Labour would be if the SNP implode even further and people north of the border turn to them in enough numbers to win say 20 more seats there.

England and Wales will not get you a Labour majority.

Hopefully the inflation rate will be lower, but prices won't. If inflation falls to 5%, that will be a 5% increase on top of the prices we're paying now with double digit inflation.

Partygate will never blow over. To suggest it will is to completely minimise and misunderstand what is behind the anger. People lost their loved ones. Parents, children, partners and friends. They were unable to be with them at the end. They were unable to have their family and friends gather round to support them in their grief because of the Social Distancing laws. Every time they hear "Partygate" or see Johnson they are reminded of their pain and loss and they are rightfully angry. You may be OK with it, but for many it is unforgivable and unforgettable.