Why has there not been an uprising against the Tories?

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why has there not been an uprising against the story government?

the things going on in schools, the level of SEND needs and teachers leaving in droves.

the state of the NHS - staff overwhelmed and completely demoralised. It’s on its knees.

strikes across many public sector services for decent pay due to inflation and cost of living.

their Austerity policy has destroyed public services.

I work in social services and I see it every day. And several u turns on policy for social care - the cap on care costs, the reversal of the NI increase which was meant to provide funding for NHS and social care.

lied to about their behaviour during covid.

it just goes on

surely the whole of the UK needs a wake up call and needs to do something…

Ted may have been in No 10 but the TUC was in the driving seat and Labour was cheering them on. Don't get me wrong, I'm no supporter of Heath but Labour in the 70s (especially under Callaghan) was a walking disaster area.

I wish we were more like the French, they don't stand for any shit, I'd even accept riots than the apathy we have now.

After Thatcher, May & Truss, I'm not sure I could trust a woman Prime Minister from any party.

Of course all the men have done such a fabulous job. 🙄

I live in France, major city. A 22,000 strong demonstration went past the end of my street last week, complete with hundreds of CRS riot police and vans. There was some trouble - the police are very heavy handed and use tear gas as a proactive method of crowd control and there are a lot of young men who use the marches as an opportunity to cause trouble / destroy / protest against capitalism.

France still has a great sympathy towards the working classes, and a dislike of the bourgeoisie and elites. Socialism and communism are still very much part of the political makeup here and while the traditional Left parties are in disarray the tenets of socialism still run strong in people’s expectations of how society should be run and funded. the idea of a ‘social contract’ existing between the government and the people is very strong, and the threat of civil unrest is one way that this is maintained. I mean, we have 17 yr-old lycée students striking here, for their future pensions, for the kind of society they want to grow up in !

There is no political party like the Tories here. While there are elite universities (grande écoles) that churn out left of Government and industry there is nothing like Eton or Winchester, or PPE at Oxford. There certainly isn’t the same forelock-tugging, cap-doffing subjection to ‘posh’ people that there is in the UK. France dealt very firmly with its aristocracy in the past : they do not run the country today.

Yep, an uprising is a violent insurrection aimed at overthrowing government and since we elected ours.....It'd be undemocratic to do so.

Overthrow one and you wouldn't have an argument to stop others in future from overthrowing a government they don't like.

An uprising would undermine democracy.

Labour will almost certainly win the next election with a landslide and we will find out what they can do. Probably they will spend the next 10 years telling us it's all the Tories fault that Labour can't fix anything. It's a poisoned chalice at the minute, recovering from Covid, having spent vast amounts on vaccines supporting businesses, etc; rising fuel costs due to Ukraine Russia war; inflation; wage demands across the board; bird flu; extreme weather in Spain causing salad crop shortages; Schools and NHS needing huge amounts of extra funding; increasing poverty; illegal immigrant problems; labour shortages in agriculture, and more. Riots in the streets would not help anything just cause a lot of damage (that someone has to pay for) and waste a lot more money controlling them. The Government needs to raise taxes a lot to pay for all this, but no one wants to pay more taxes (people are too poor, businesses are already stretched). Magic Wand or Money Tree anyone?

There are a lot of people who are living their lives blissfully and completely unaware of just how bad it is for others - there are of course those who don’t care but for lots of people it’s not even on their radar

I think that’s true but I always wonder why? Are they so shallow (and possibly of limited intelligence) that they don’t have any idea about the world they live in? or do they have such enormous egos that it wouldn’t occur to them to take notice of what’s going on?

And I agree with @Greentree1 there is a poisoned chalice waiting for the next Government, the current one have caused so much devastation it’s going to take many many years to fix.

I think that the people who are really suffering are so busy struggling to get by day to day that they have no time or strength or energy for protest. They’re not protesting or writing to their Mp because they are truly overwhelmed with daily life.
whereas those who are doing better and can, for example, afford days out etc, they don’t see them at birthday parties for children at school because the parents cannot always afford gifts for their children to go etc never see those people there and so are truly not aware of them.

not having enough money can be truly isolating

There will always be those people who truly don’t care but that’s not always the case.

@Easterfunbun
Labour: I don't know what a woman is.

           It's Ok for the NHS to spend extortionate amounts on light bulbs , various new 'inclusive' jobs  at management levels of pay, and the like.  They just ask the tax payer to pour more money into this bottomless pit rather than think about reform.  

Basically open door immigration. A lot of people wonder where this is going to end up.

They never answer a question directly. They ALWAYS waffle or blame others.

I'M not sure it's just the tory voters that are the thickies.

@Blossomtoes I don't expect them to but they talk as if they could have magically prevented inflation this time round and handled covid which are global issues. I was just (badly) pointing out they didn't leave office with the country in a great shape so yes they did those things but how many then came undone with the crisis? Liss desemated the economy (and should never have got in) but the labour party talks as if it has money growing on trees, can avoid any inflation and would have brought in lock downs sooner and prevented deaths etc. All politicians talk as if they can fix everything at once but it doesn't fill voters with confidence as we know they can't. You need someone to be honest and say the reality of how much it would cost to fix everything to the level people want and then be honest about what can be done to fix it. The whole mud slinging belongs in the 1800's less words, more action and someone to actually make a change in the 4 years not to promise smoke and mirrors in 10.

I didn't understand Liz Truss's speech when she was (sarcastically? Ironically? Mockingly?) imitating people's views, they "see the government as the concierge. I can't afford to buy a house....I'll call the government"

Well, yes.

She seemed completely unaware of what the governments purpose is? The country is a shitshow and things drastically need to change....and that speech somehow got through I don't know how many writers and approvals and whatever before she gave it.

Wtf. Yes, it's down to the government and the government should be fixing it. People who are working can't afford to live ffs, and public services are crumbling.

I agree, OP, there should be an uprising.

Tell me the alternative and why it is better.
It did work in 1945 I think. Labour did not last long.

You clearly weren't alive in the 1970s. It was the godawful Labour Govts. back then that lead to Thatcher's massive 1979 win and the fact that a lot of my generation won't vote Labour even now

I no was. The horror of Thatcher has scarred me for life. None of my family friends or colleagues vote Conservative. She scarred them for life too.

We need some poll tax riots again in this country.

Again. This is what Labour did last time and this is better.
It's not 1945.
Please tell me what is so good about what we have now?

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
2. Low mortgage rates.
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
9. Employment is at its highest level ever.
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
11. 85,000 more nurses.
12. 32,000 more doctors.
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
19. Restored city-wide government to London.
20. Record number of students in higher education.
21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
35. Banned fox hunting.
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
37. Free TV licences for over-75s.
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
43. Free eye test for over 60s.
44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

You clearly weren't alive in the 1970s. It was the godawful Labour Govts. back then that lead to Thatcher's massive 1979 win and the fact that a lot of my generation won't vote Labour even now

i was. I was also alive in the 80s. Which is why I won’t vote Tory even now.

I was also alive in the 90s and 00s when we had a Labour government that achieved all that @BungalowLil so kindly laid out.

God I loved that period in the 90s and 00s. It really felt like the future was going to be better for everyone. Things got better. There was optimism.

The biggest mystery of my life will be how the Tories persuade ordinary people who do ordinary jobs and lead ordinary lives which rely on state education, state pensions and the NHS to vote Tory.

I feel that we're the boiling frog here. There's been no sudden collapse in everything but it's gradually getting worse.
Also, people have short memories and Sunak is banking on people having forgotten a lot of stuff by next November and tragically, I think he could be right.

Same here. Definitely remember the 70s, started nursing in the 80s, praised the Lord when Labour finally got in and rescued the NHS, left nursing in 2014 when I realised the Tories had ripped it apart again.

If Labour want a landslide they are going to have to work a fuck of a lot harder than they are at the moment… bout it’s entirely possible that they don’t know what to do with shit show either?

Wizzbangfizz · Yesterday 16:38
It isn’t racist to want controlled immigration. I’m frankly bloody worried about the fact we have no idea who is coming to these shores in amongst genuine refugees. And again on this issue that is another reason I am going (legally and via a very expensive visa system)!”

Why is it ok for you to emigrate? Presumably you’re not an asylum seeker? You’re leaving just because you don’t want to live here anymore? Yet you’re criticising other people for wanting to do the same and come to the UK?

What’s the difference between you and them?

I think Labour are going to have to do a lot better than they are doing so far. Those posters were crap and the Diane Abbott shit show just confirms people's worst fears.

"26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland."

This is not solely a Labour thing, but I can see why GB residents believe it is. The fact is that the Provisionals had to be brought right up to the point of defeat in order to get them to agree to restore Stormont.

The Security Forces do not get any recognition for doing their jobs effectively. From 1980 onwards, all the elements were in place to defeat the Provos.

Attachment demonstrates Provisional Sinn Féin and Provisional I.R.A had ZERO desire to see Stormont restored. They had to be infiltrated, most of their members put in jail, a policy of criminalisation had to be done, SAS deployed against them to great effect and then a golden bridge extended. The same strategy that defeated Michael Collins' IRA.

All of that was largely achieved under Thatcher's Whole of Government approach to the Provisionals.

Terrorist organisations do NOT go from fundamentalist positions to accepting an agreement where they achieved NONE of their objectives. They only do it once severely weakened.

It cannot be put down to Labour alone.