Why has there not been an uprising against the Tories?

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why has there not been an uprising against the story government?

the things going on in schools, the level of SEND needs and teachers leaving in droves.

the state of the NHS - staff overwhelmed and completely demoralised. It’s on its knees.

strikes across many public sector services for decent pay due to inflation and cost of living.

their Austerity policy has destroyed public services.

I work in social services and I see it every day. And several u turns on policy for social care - the cap on care costs, the reversal of the NI increase which was meant to provide funding for NHS and social care.

lied to about their behaviour during covid.

it just goes on

surely the whole of the UK needs a wake up call and needs to do something…

Labour may have brought in a lot of benefits last time but Tony Blair declared an illegal war, sent soldiers in with no where near enough body armour/weaponry and never got held to account for it. Gordon Brown left office 2010 after the recession started. It was a global recession but they didn't exactly prevent it did they? I am not a Conservative supporter but Labour is not all sweet smelling roses. Antisemitism is not something I am prepared to vote for in a hurry

Even on Mn which is left wing and ‘tax the rich’. On the ‘how would you spend £1 million lottery win’ thread, almost all just said they would buy a big house, pay off the mortgage, feather their own nests. Only one or two mentioned a benevolent cause being included. Yet they think Tory MPs (or just wealthy people) acting similarly is selfish 🤷🏼‍♀️

There seems to widespread cognitive
dissonance. I work with people who complain about the state of the NHS, the state of our roads, etc but don't seem to link this to years of underfunding by the government. I find it baffling

What would an uprising actually constitute? Are we going to overthrow them, a coup, vote them out? I struggle to imagine Keir Starmer being able to inspire any of that tbh.

Do uprisings go well in the long term, tbh apart from the French and the U.S I’m struggling to think of uprisings that have successfully affected change for the better in the long term. I’m sure I’m massively wrong though. There was an uprising in Sudan in 2019 that led to a coup which led to the present day problems. Going back a bit to 1978 there was an uprising in Iran which successfully led to a regime change which has led to present day problems. There was one in 1917 in Russia which I think you could argue set off a series of events which is causing present day problems.

I wish I had a point apart from it’s all a bit shit. It’s shit under Sunak. It was extra shitty under Liz. Shit under Johnson. I used to have hopes for Scotland but it was shit under Sturgeon and will get Shittier under yousaf.

Does anyone actually believe that whoever is next in power will effect meaningful change to make the country a bit less shit? If so bring on the revolution but if it’s going to be the same shit regardless we might as well stay home.

I'm not personally doing anything because I don't really believe it would make any difference. I imagine I'd be fobbed off with some sort of "we are working hard to develop sustainable solutions" reply.

I am also overwhelmed reading about the state of the NHS and schools and don't know how to even scratch the surface.

I also think that a lot of people are stupid and believe anything they read in the tabloids.

I used to vote Tory but vowed to never do so again after Brexit.

there's an "I'm, alright Jack" mentality. People don't care about things that don't affect them. Older people of whom there are huge numbers aren't going to be bothered about young people who can't get on the housing ladder. My dad has always voted Tory and will never change. It never crosses his mind the damage they are doing to his grandkids, the fact that they will likely never get on the housing ladder, will end up with thousands of pounds of student debt and are affected by the cost of living crisis. Most older people are not living in poverty as we are led to believe. I'm not saying there aren't some that are struggling, but the vast majority that I see through my job are not

I don’t get the whole “It would probably be even worse under labour”. Labour have been in power before and I don’t think it’s ever been this bad.

Whats the point, the alternatives are just as bad or worse😒

Agreed. But tbh I dream of a Labour/Lib Dem/Green coalition.

why has there not been an uprising against the story government?
The British are good at queuing. We have a general election in 18 months so we will wait our turn.

the things going on in schools, the level of SEND needs and teachers leaving in droves.
Has that actually affected anyone yet? We have kids in school so do our friends. Nobody has noticed anything so far.

the state of the NHS - staff overwhelmed and completely demoralised. It’s on its knees.
Ditto. Get appointments. Go to hospital get seen. Progress quickly to next level when need be.

strikes across many public sector services for decent pay due to inflation and cost of living.
82% of the workforce is in the private sector and get pay rises.

their Austerity policy has destroyed public services.
See above. Many people have not felt this yet.

I work in social services and I see it every day. And several u turns on policy for social care - the cap on care costs, the reversal of the NI increase which was meant to provide funding for NHS and social care.
The poorest are hit, not those still in work or those retired and reasonably well off. By the way - the 1.25% rise did come into force. It affects employers, employees, the self-employed and investors. Most people are now paying it - the only ones who do not are BTL landlords.

lied to about their behaviour during covid.
People have short memories.

it just goes on
It is a slow burn before people realise.

surely the whole of the UK needs a wake up call and needs to do something…
We have the general election in 18 months time. Unlikely to be sooner. Many regular conservative voters I speak to are saying they will protest vote this time. Lib Dem or Greens. Not sure where that leaves us. Maybe Labour in a coalition government.

I’m in such despair about the state of our country I am leaving it permanently. I do not want to stick around for a Labour government if they get in (and that doesn’t make me a Tory I don’t support either of the main parties and another reason I’m leaving). All it will be will be years of blaming tories for what they inherited and nothing will change!

But I also blame a lot of peoples attitudes in this country - more taking out of it than putting in. Just look at the threads on here - people take the piss and im sick of paying for it through my and DH considerable high tax. Especially for services me and my children can’t access when we need too!

Unfortunately Labour have never had a black leader or woman leader and so that in itself rules out a good proportion of the voters.

As for the reversal of women's rights by not recognising how misogynistic trans ideology often is means another huge sector of voters will never vote labour.

The absolutely criminal idea of placing public services under the rules of a market economy and having a welfare system that paid people more not to work than to work made a labour run unattractive to many.

Immigrants coming to this country often have a good work ethic and leave behind countries and governments which are unstable and where they do not see a future for themselves or their DC.

Why do they come? Why do thousands risk their lives coming to the UK ?

Many other countries do not recognise women's rights and do not have protection for children, or protection for racial or religious discrimination, homosexuality or trans people and do not have free medical care or education.

The NHS employs huge numbers of the hardest working people of all, a huge proportion are first or second generation immigrants and these are the back bone of Britain who do not identify with white labour supporters either and so are also unlikely to vote Labour.

And Michael Howard who was leader of the opposition at the time said he’d have done exactly the same thing.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

Please tell me how any government could prevent a global recession.

Because the majority of the UK enjoy having a racist and xenophobia government.

They would rather be poor than allow the "boat people" into the UK.

Maybe because they have criminalised a lot of protesting in the PCSC bill? When people of the protests as well, lots of people get mad for examples with just stop oil. British people love suffering and that is the top and bottom of it.

It isn’t racist to want controlled immigration. I’m frankly bloody worried about the fact we have no idea who is coming to these shores in amongst genuine refugees. And again on this issue that is another reason I am going (legally and via a very expensive visa system)!

Some people just don't care about other people.

I certainly don't care enough to riot on someone else behalf.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Look up Immiseration theory,......soon enough you'll be 'rioting' for yourself

Bye
You are worried about who is coming here? do you seriously think that Britain is alone in this crisis? You think politics is quite separate to global economic factors and to climate change? Do you understand anything about imperialism and why people are risking their lives to come here? no.....well off you trot then.

I’m so bored of people wanting us to act like ‘the French’. I’m not French and I don’t like setting fire to things when I get angry. So please don’t expect me to act French when you’re passed off with something and fancy other people to commit arson on your behalf.

I don’t believe in any government policies. Be they red, blue, green or yellow. That’s why I’m pretty apathetic. I think they are all self serving bureaucrats and I don’t think any of them give a shit about any of us.

Unfortunately Labour have never had a black leader or woman leader and so that in itself rules out a good proportion of the voters.

Is this really how people choose who to vote for?

The last time Labour were in power they achieved a lot more than just moaning about the outgoing party. I don't know why you would expect them to just moan this time, that's your imagination not something based on experience.

I wonder where you're going that taxes are lower and the public services you need are more freely accessible.

Unfortunately Labour have never had a black leader or woman leader and so that in itself rules out a good proportion of the voters.

The UK will never have a Black woman leader from the left. To thrive as a POC in politics you need to be on the right, the further to the right you are the greater your success. Kemi Badenoch gains more support every time she comes out with a variation of 'the UK is not institutionally racist/ there's no racism in the UK' etc etc. T

Perhaps they "just said" this because a generation or so back owning your own house after paying the mortgage off was achievable by your average person with a normal working lifetime in a normal job. Often with only one person paying the mortgage.

The fact that this will now only be achieveable by many people in this country with a £1 million lottery winnor an inheritance is utterly, utterly depressing. Not to mention the fact that a whole generation of young renters are not even daring to think what their life may look like in old age if they need care, barely have any pension and don't own a house to sell to pay for it.

Nail on the head.

I think we've been totally beaten down. It's Stockholm Syndrome.

We should take a leaf out of the French's book.