Why has there not been an uprising against the Tories?

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why has there not been an uprising against the story government?

the things going on in schools, the level of SEND needs and teachers leaving in droves.

the state of the NHS - staff overwhelmed and completely demoralised. It’s on its knees.

strikes across many public sector services for decent pay due to inflation and cost of living.

their Austerity policy has destroyed public services.

I work in social services and I see it every day. And several u turns on policy for social care - the cap on care costs, the reversal of the NI increase which was meant to provide funding for NHS and social care.

lied to about their behaviour during covid.

it just goes on

surely the whole of the UK needs a wake up call and needs to do something…

@Rayn22 i think a lot of people feel like that which is why I predict a low turnout and a resulting hung parliament

Another large issues we have an aging population. No political party was the address, the concerns of young people. Renting is unaffordable buying is unattainable and wages are stagnating.

I earn a good wage in a good job but cannot afford to rent it's terrible if I don't find somewhere, I will be facing homelessness.

Even the most casual look at the opposition should have provided the answer.

Because the vast majority of the electorate voted for them.

No they didn't, not by a long chalk. FpTP has a lot to answer for.

That’s true with regard to where Conservative MPs are voted in. Are any of the other countries of the Union doing significantly better than England in their devolved areas like Education, Health and Social Care, say?

why has there not been an uprising against the story government?

What do you mean by uprising though? Civil unrest? Protests? Presumably the answer to that is, that people like the OP, who feel the same way, are asking why someone else hasn’t started it instead of doing something about it themselves?

Exactly @MandyMotherOfBrian -
one look at Mark Drakeford and the NHS in wales tells me all I need to know about a Labour government.

It's no good saying 'just one look at the opposition' though is it.

We need to look harder at the opposition and those in power. We need to weigh up what they're doing, look at the manifestos and policies. We need to evaluate the current situation after 13 years of Tory government and then vote to improve things in future.

Just one look is what they want you to do. Read just one spun line in a paper and form your decision. Nobody can use their reasoning power on anything with just one look.

@BungalowLil I work in public affairs (before that was a journalist) and have frequent meetings with MPs across the political spectrum - believe me I’ve taken more than one look.

A lot of the worst of the 70s, the three day weeks and power cuts etc. were under Ted Heath and the Tories, which people conveniently forget.
Harold Wilson was in charge during the swinging Sixties and kept us out of Vietnam.

Highest tax burden since the war...and this is the Torygraph talking so you can't accuse them of left-wing bias. And what have we got to show for it? Public services cut to the bone. They can't have given it all to Michelle Mone.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/07/highest-taxes-since-second-world-war-boris-johnson-abandons/

What frightens me is that it's potentially another eighteen months until we get an election and who knows how much damage they'll have done by then.
They seem to have adopted a scorched earth policy. They think they're going to lose and are determined to take us all down with them.

Surely we're all just waiting to give them a kicking at the next election?

I don't think an uprising would help, more turmoil and uncertainty won't be useful. That just leaves an election, sooner rather than later please god.

Labour seem less compelling than in 1997 for sure, but no one would be worse than Tory scumbags and at least they recognise that investment and support for public services is what is needed.

The cycle we seem to go through of Tories destroying public services by underfunding and labour restoring them is ridiculous though.

because lots of people feel polticians are all the same, 90-95% of them lack integrity and are in it for themselves, nothing changes that much ,they are all corrupt just two faces of the same coin. at the very very best it is tinkering at the edges. taxes go up council tax goes up with no difference in services or worse services whether it is controlled by labour tories or NOC, there is no point in protesting it achieves nothing you say the French protest but after the protests the pension age has still gone up it achieved nothing, Protest marches achieve nothing 99% of the time.
Most people just want a reasonable job so they have a house a decent school ( not ofsted outstanding) and a doctor when they need one; enough money for a little fun, their primary source of life satisfaction is family and friends not their job. They are not that concerned about things they can't change like wars, china Putin, Trump or climate change they are concerned about cost of living and NHS

Totally 100% with you op!

@ThinkAboutItTomorrow ”we all want to give them a kicking at next election” and to what end? @Cottagecheeseisnotcheese is spot on there are very little difference between them and the gleeful crowing of Tory scum isn’t going to translate into policies that are going to result in any improvements in my opinion which is why we are going. I truly hope I’m wrong and the UK becomes a better place

A summary of the difference between Labour and Conservative manifestos. http://classonline.org.uk/docs/Labour_vs_Conservative_Manifestos_Briefing_2.pdf

This is a great summary!

Thanks @BungalowLil nice and clear.

Overall I trust labour to want to solve the issues I care about. That's a big thing for me. The Tories are the ones who've run things down.

In 1997 labour committed to Tory spending plans so we're hamstrung. But over the subsequent years they significantly increased investment and fixed public services. That's what I think they'll do again.

Because Labour are just as shit.

Labour worked for public services. The Tories have failed. Again. They need to be gone.

Excellent summary by a left wing think tank - very objective.

Yeah left wing bias, like the IFS?

If you support the Tories and the best you can do is 'labour is the same' you know you're losing'

Tory venality and lack of ethics means even if labour was the same (which I don't believe) I'd still trust labour over the Tories 999 times out of 1000. Maybe more.

I’ve no skin in this game now sadly - I will always want the uk to thrive though - like I’ve said unthread I hope if (and it is a big if) Labour win power they will improve things but I’ve read enough, met many of them, and know enough about this countries financial situation and the shit show of our public services to know I won’t be voting here again until there is significant electoral reform and a party which faces up to the fact that we have crumbling Victorian infrastructure and ineffective health service doing today what it was never set up to do.

Being aware of it and caring about it are not the same thing