Why has there not been an uprising against the Tories?

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why has there not been an uprising against the story government?

the things going on in schools, the level of SEND needs and teachers leaving in droves.

the state of the NHS - staff overwhelmed and completely demoralised. It’s on its knees.

strikes across many public sector services for decent pay due to inflation and cost of living.

their Austerity policy has destroyed public services.

I work in social services and I see it every day. And several u turns on policy for social care - the cap on care costs, the reversal of the NI increase which was meant to provide funding for NHS and social care.

lied to about their behaviour during covid.

it just goes on

surely the whole of the UK needs a wake up call and needs to do something…

Because a lot more people are still comfortably off than many people would have you believe.

Yes carry on insulting people who voted differently to.you that will.teach them won't it 🙄.

Tory voters aren't thick! Far from it!

Exactly this. The Conservatives have been absolutely shit. Labour would be worse.

I’m not inclined to vote for any of them but it absolutely wouldn’t ever be Labour.

Well if they are that stupid, how come the Labour Party has such trouble getting them to vote Labour?

Well, whatever it is, it’s an English problem.

People are speaking about Britain/British or the UK on this thread. But there are no Tory MPs in NI, 14 (out of 40) from Wales, and 6 (out of 59) in Scotland. The country which consistently votes Tory, and by virtue of its overwhelming numerical advantage over the other countries of this so-called union, utterly dominates every political outcome is England. Wales and Scotland have repeatedly rejected the Tories at the ballot-box, but their political will can rarely be reflected in the government at Westminster.

I agree but it's not just "some" it's a majority.

Dunno. But sign me up for the start of it.

@BungalowLil i don’t have a problem paying high tax when I can see it represented in the services around me. I will also be in a place where I can take out health insurance alongside publicly funded healthcare instead of relying on an organisation that no amount of money you throw at it would fix and the Labour Party won’t do the root and branch reform it needs. The last Labour government led us to austerity with their overspending and with the covid utter overreaction this government will leave the next government in a very precarious financial position. Not that I think Labour will win a landslide - they won’t get the votes.

Because their house price has gone up, which seems to trump everything to some people.

I suppose because I see the issues in other countries post-covid. Other governments are reacting in various different ways. Nowhere seems to be doing very well.

Like everyone else, I haven't had an inflation-equalling pay rise, and I'm doing my best to cope and provide my ds with everything on a reduced income. I'm receiving nhs cancer treatment, I'm a single mum, but I just don't see how rioting and smashing bus shelters helps.

Yes there are urgent issues but they are better solved by negotiation. And I absolutely support decent pay rises for nurses.

You clearly weren't alive in the 1970s. It was the godawful Labour Govts. back then that lead to Thatcher's massive 1979 win and the fact that a lot of my generation won't vote Labour even now.

The last Labour government led us to austerity with their overspending

Austerity was a Coalition policy not a Labour policy. The Labour government was not responsible for the 2008 recession. The recession was caused by the housing bubble bursting in the US which led to subsequent financial crises in other countries.

the things going on in schools, the level of SEND needs and teachers leaving in droves.
"Has that actually affected anyone yet? We have kids in school so do our friends. Nobody has noticed anything so far."

@ThisIsNotAmerican Teachers and other school staff are very good at getting on with things under the shittiest financial circumstances for the sake of the kids and their families, simply because they believe in the concept of a quality free education for all. Until you work in a school you just don't realise what has to happen behind the scenes to have it running as smoothly as the parents think it does. It's the swan calm on the surface, frantically paddling underneath. I guess it's the same in the NHS. So much is done for free, so much is run on goodwill. Teachers spend their own money on classroom resources, primary staff in particular. Many are spending every evening at home working despite having arrived at school at 7.40am. Support staff on very low wages put in many many hours of unpaid overtime or go in for free in the holidays because there is just no money to pay it but the work needs doing. I'm continually surprised at the amount of parents expressing their surprise that we haven't gone home when they call at 5.15 about a lost item "on the offchance that someone might still be there". They'd be shocked to know how many still go in in the holidays.

But the strikes in schools are now happening because despite increasing workloads, increasingly poor levels of funding, despite more and more being done on goodwill and for free, NOTHING CHANGES and it's got to the stage where enough is enough. There is only so much that can be done on goodwill and we are at the point where it is increasingly hard to hide some things from parents.

Just because you don't seee it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Schools are not the only places this is the case. Care homes and care agencies. A lot of the NHS. But slowly things are becoming more visible. Many local councils are in disarray because of lack of funding, with basic things like maintaining roads not being done. I'm also starting to get the feeling that many government agencies are also in disarray eg HMRC, Ministry of Justice etc, just by dealing with them on the surface.

It's just years and years of underfunding and grinding everything down to nothing.

It's not the 1970s. Harold Wilson and James Callaghan are dead.

I lived through the 70s and the country is in a terrible state now...a different state but a terrible one all the same. This especially impact the young.

Lots of us oldies voting based on a 50 year old memory is only going to perpetuate the current parlous situation.

That was half a century ago!

Lots of us oldies voting based on a 50 year old memory is only going to perpetuate the current parlous situation.

I could not agree more.

Nothing is stopping you going out to riot OP, throw some bricks through some windows.

That'll show 'em.

Because we have elections specifically so we don’t have to have uprisings. Which is a good thing imo. People can “uprise” at the polls soon enough.

I always feel slightly mystified by the idea that removing governments through uprising is somehow superior to just winning an election. Who wants a government that gained power through a coup!? I doubt many people in countries that have exchanges of power in that way actually like it.

We're all too overworked and tired

Whoever it was who said we are taxed more than ever before - I'm pretty sure we weren't. Income tax certainly not at its highest point. But I don't really want to get into "Oh no it isn't/ Oh yes it is" - anyone who is interested can look it up.

And the question was about why we didn't riot. And the answer can't be "because we are all thick/ selfish/ too polite".

Some interesting answers here though.

The French protests didn’t stop Macron changing the retirement age. And the riots won’t have been good for the homes and businesses affected.

Here, people are tired, cold, depressed and can’t see how kicking off will change anything.

I live in Bristol and we've had some pretty strong protests here, one of which resulted in the Colston statue being toppled and then the Kill the Bill riots.

People were very angry, there was a lot of violence at the Kill the Bill.

The toppling of Colston really started a conversation which I think made lots of people listen. The Kill the Bill protests were so violent the cause was lost in the actions.

When people do try to disrupt, protest or riot the backlash from the press, police and majority is huge. Think of the reaction to Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Britain.

When thousands in Bristol marched through the city with Greta Thurnberg to campaign against climate change the media's biggest story on it was that the marchers had spoiled the grass in the city centre. That's what people are up against.

It takes a lot of courage and anger to make a person stand up and fight in spite of the backlash. Most people are too busy, too scared or don't care enough.

I have always voted for the tories. Never again! Or not until they get this shit show together. However there so no one I want to give my vote to It is a mess.