Trigger warning - incomprehensible tragedy

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Two beautiful little boys strangled, and mother hung, and the boys looked so well cared for and loved, plenty of toys, nice clothes, lovingly photographed

I just cant bear to think of what went on in that house in those last moments, those poor poor children

How can this happen? How was this impossible to see coming?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65065560

Mental illness is not rational, that's essentially the point. Psychosis, paranoia, delusions, all reasons someone could do such a thing. Awful, dreadful, genuinely unthinkable and a living nightmare but it's not something those of us with good mental health are likely to understand, thank God.

How utterly tragic, those poor boys. Mental health issues or not, it takes somebody who is completely self absorbed to think their childrens worth and existence are dependent on your own (mother).

it is an abomination for any mother to do this. There are plenty of women suffering with mental health issues that seek help for their childrens sake, instead she put them through undue pain and suffering to meet her own mental health needs.

I agree.. My heart breaks 💔

Jesus Christ.

No, she killed them because she's a child murderer - it's part of the job description.

I hope the vile bitch rots in hell. I am sick to the back teeth of mental health being used to excuse and explain away women who murder their children. I didn’t see anyone sympathising with the husband of that head teacher who murdered her and her daughter recently, or saying he had meantal health problems, how do we know he didn’t, at more than a woman could? Because women didn’t think so.

Frankly I don’t give a shit what kind of issues she had, the instant she strangled her children she became a cold blooded murderer undeserving of any sympathy or understanding.

I mean do we sympathise with the hundreds of inmates of broadmoor? No? Ian Brady? No?

The more people use mental illness to excuse these kinds of vile crimes, the more you create the stigma that people with mental health issues aren’t safe to be around children.

Reading through some of these posts I am frankly sickened by the number of people on here who are happy to sympathise with a murderer.

Nobody who loved their children would murder them. Nobody.

People need to stop making fucking excuses for women, and it’s always women people are excusing on here, who murder their children in cold blood.

The only victims here were two innocent children. The only positive about this is that she’s dead.

Agree @MayThe4th my sympathy is for their father and the rest of the family whose lives will have been destroyed by her actions.
Not her who won't have to deal with any of the repercussions for what she did. The fact that some posters are placing her as the central victim in this is ridiculous.

This in fucking droves.

plenty of women and mums suffer with mental health issues and wouldn’t dream to lay a finger on any child let alone their own.

why is it always women who have their disgusting selfish actions defended because of “mental health issues”
she chose to take her children from this world, crushing their hopes and dreams of a future. that is evil.

same as the woman who drowned her toddler in a reservoir with her, absolute evil

My above post was in response to your 1650 post, may but absolutely yes again to the above.

All of this!!!!!

She deserves to rot in hell like other child murders who all have mental health issues. I mean no one kills children unless they are fucked in the head one way or another.

I think it’s interesting how when a mum kills her child, it’s instantly ‘she must have struggled with her mental health’ etc. Yet, if a dad kills his children it’s automatically assumed that he’s evil and there’s no sympathy for him is there?

We don’t know the details yet other than knowing that the kids were strangled and that the mum was hung. Unfortunately, I’m not quick to sympathise with the mother as much as I do with the kids.

I know some people don’t want to believe this but there have been mum’s who have killed their kids without having psychosis. There’s a mum who kept on getting pregnant and killed about 6/7 of the kids when they were newborn. She hid them in the garage until the dad found them one day.

One mum killed herself and her child. She left a note to the ex husband saying that now she hopes he’ll suffer for the rest of his life in the same way that she suffered (or something like that). Some women are just evil, it’s not difficult to understand.

I personally don’t wish to get into a debate about it and end up derailing the thread. All I will say is that I don’t feel immediate sympathy for the mother

This!

*She deserves to rot in hell like other child murders who all have mental health issues. I mean no one kills children unless they are fucked in the head one way or another.

• quite. Even murderers like Fred West, Harold Shipman, Ian Brady, Levi Bellfield, shall I go on? Even Wayne Cousins can’t possibly be mentally normal.

Doesn’t mean they deserve sympathy does it?

Oh and as those are all men, perhaps we’ll throw rose west, and Myra Hindley into the mix as well shall we?

How about baby P’s mother? The mothers who have recently been convicted of killing their children recently, little Arthur, and what was the other one called? She was killed by her mum and her mum’s (female) partner.

Maybe we should all just light a candle in sympathy for these poor mentally ill people. Isn’t there a passage in the bible somewhere? “Forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

Fuck that.

But some murderers do have mental health issues. Mental health issues which drive them to commit a cold blooded murder.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

Of course there are people who are psychopaths and are plain evil. But that's not always the case when a murder is committed.

@MayThe4th

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Could not agree more.

She's a child murdering evil bitch and I don't give a fuck if she suffered with her 'mental health' or not.

Neither does any father but you can be sure a man doing this would get absolutely no sympathy of any kind and be labelled all sorts of evil.

Yet when it's a woman it's full on sympathy & even people trying to blame her poor husband for her not getting support. Ffs

MN is a weird place at times

Glad to see more normal reactions as the thread has progressed

For all we know she could have killed her kids to "punish" her ex for leaving her. Similar cases have happened in the past. In any event, I agree with all the above posters. What she did was so evil that it's almost beyond belief and there can be no sympathy of any sort.

Lots of women attempt/commit suicide and don’t murder their children.
and what about the she was a middle class professional she could have got all the help she needed argument.

I don't understand how anyone can do this to anyone nevermind your own children. If she needed to end her own life, fine, but there's no reason to murder these beautiful innocent children. If this was a man he'd be called allsorts on here but because it's a woman you'll get "she must have been in a bad place, poor woman". Oh and just because kids look clean and they have nice photos taken does not mean they can't experience abuse, weird thing to focus on "they look so well looked after/loved", quite possibly a front.

Some huge double standard here especially when comparing to the Epsom murder. We gave the guy no mercy when he clearly had mental health issues too ( you wouldn't be murdering your family if you didn't) and I see no difference here. If you are struggling mentally to the extent you think the only way out of it is to murder your children- you seek help, you get your GP involved or even social services- mental health cannot be used as a 'oh dear, poor thing' - we didn't say this in the Epsom case.

This is a very sad story.

There are comments on here such as "some mothers are just shite" etc. Which is of course true.

But I don't think that's the case here. I know you can't go by what's on social media, and it's only snippets of a life, but I did take a look at her Facebook, and I found it all just heartbreaking.

I guess none of us know the truth, but my take on it, for what it's worth, is that she was a single mum who was struggling and had little in the way of support. It looks to me like she loved those boys very much, she sounded lovely in one of the clips I heard of her voice. They looked happy and well looked after. I would imagine she was really struggling with the pressures of raising her sons alone with no support and she did not see walking away as an option, therefore she did what she did.

Yes, it's horrible. But no, I can't find it in my heart to vilify her for it. It's just so tragic all round.

Seems the case

people are bizarre

@derbylass81 she could have done ANYTHING BLOODY ANYTHING rather than kill her children. Not picked them up from school, left them at a police station, hospital, bloody shop, on a neighbours doorstep, ANYTHING rather than fill their last hours with fear and horror. She deserves to be vilified!

There are inevitably extremes of mental health problems (psychosis for instance) that may lead someone to do something otherwise incomprehensible to everyone well adjusted,
But that’s neither here nor there in this case because presumably there wasn’t any psychosis.
Just like Nicola Bulley - who presumably and sadly ended her life (I know there’s no verdict yet on her autopsy/ inquest) had no clear public evidence of suicidal ideation, but nonetheless there appears that there was some.
I have no experience of psychotic episodes or such dark thoughts that I’d want to harm someone innocent but I have reached depths of despair (following SA and a shit response from my OH) and can remember thinking of I had to die I could not leave my DD alone (because she’s severely disabled). I’ve no idea what level of illness it takes to actually do something like this - out of spite, out of despair, out of desperation…
And the tit for tats with each other about man v women are a bit silly and besides the point