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Trigger warning - incomprehensible tragedy

185 replies

Nimbostratus100 · 25/03/2023 09:45

Two beautiful little boys strangled, and mother hung, and the boys looked so well cared for and loved, plenty of toys, nice clothes, lovingly photographed

I just cant bear to think of what went on in that house in those last moments, those poor poor children

How can this happen? How was this impossible to see coming?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65065560

Alexander, nine, and Maximus, seven,

Belvedere deaths: Boys found with mum were strangled, inquest hears

Nadja de Jager and her sons Alexander and Maximus were found by police at their London home.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65065560

OP posts:
mackthepony · 25/03/2023 13:40

*absurd

Bonjovispjs · 25/03/2023 13:50

MichelleScarn · 25/03/2023 12:59

So is the general consensus dad murdering their children then suicide = evil horrible bustard. Mum murdering their children then suicide= poor her, and the dads fault?

Seems to be doesn't it?

squashyhat · 25/03/2023 13:50

What's being beautiful got to do with it? Would it have been OK if they had been ugly?

Morningcoffeeview · 25/03/2023 13:57

I can’t imagine what was going through that mothers mind, must have been something really disturbing.

RIP sweet boys

highintheskypurple · 25/03/2023 13:58

BlackBarbies · 25/03/2023 11:27

Well then so sorry for the inappropriate word of ‘deserve’

shut up, wtf it's a normal use of the word.
'they were so young, they didn't deserve it, they deserved to live long happy lives'

Of course you could argue some people do deserve being murdered. (paedophiles and the like) but I think we all know what the pp was saying. It's a common phrase when you hear of an untimely death.

Don't apologise PP, they are policing normal words and phrases, and getting it wrong, not you.

highintheskypurple · 25/03/2023 13:59

squashyhat · 25/03/2023 13:50

What's being beautiful got to do with it? Would it have been OK if they had been ugly?

fucking hell. All children are beautiful. That is what was implied, not the fact that ugly children should be killed by their mother's.
Fucking psychos on here.

SunshineLollipopsAndRainbows · 25/03/2023 14:01

7 years that should be

Poorlittlepoorgirl · 25/03/2023 14:06

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oakleaffy · 25/03/2023 14:10

Murder / Suicide
Those poor innocent children.

Sirius3030 · 25/03/2023 14:15

Hellsmovie · 25/03/2023 10:47

Cowardness and inadequate is the usual theory when it's a man.

This will be put down to mental health though probably

But since it was a woman…?

MichelleScarn · 25/03/2023 14:17

mackthepony · 25/03/2023 13:39

Not at all

The point I'm making is that the mother obviously needed support - which should have come from the father.

It would be obsurd to conclude it was the father's fault

So if a man killed his children would you say 'where was the mother? She should have been more supportive'?

Sassyfox · 25/03/2023 14:18

Hellsmovie · 25/03/2023 10:47

Cowardness and inadequate is the usual theory when it's a man.

This will be put down to mental health though probably

It is mental health though.

I’m not defending her but you have to be not in your right mind to kill your own children.

I can’t imagine how awful it must have been for their father to identify the bodies.

Sirius3030 · 25/03/2023 14:18

mackthepony · 25/03/2023 12:39

It said in the paper that the father hadn't been around as much.

Fathers need to be around more.

There seems to be this mentality that men can just up and leave and wash their hands

No there isn’t.
Nobody thinks absent fathers is a good thing.

Hellsmovie · 25/03/2023 14:24

Sirius3030 · 25/03/2023 14:15

But since it was a woman…?

Sorry ,what do you mean

Somanycats · 25/03/2023 14:25

Sassyfox · 25/03/2023 14:18

It is mental health though.

I’m not defending her but you have to be not in your right mind to kill your own children.

I can’t imagine how awful it must have been for their father to identify the bodies.

Nonsense. My adopted DS's Mum made many an attempt to kill him or allow others to do so. She is perfectly sane. He was an inconvenience.

ChocSaltyBalls · 25/03/2023 14:35

Those poor darling boys.

no words for their “mother”.

Sassyfox · 25/03/2023 14:35

Somanycats · 25/03/2023 14:25

Nonsense. My adopted DS's Mum made many an attempt to kill him or allow others to do so. She is perfectly sane. He was an inconvenience.

I disagree in this case and probably yours too.

No person in their right mind would kill a child, let alone their own.

If they were an inconvenience she could have put them up for adoption or killer them and made it look like an accident.

Even if she did it to get back at their dad, it would still be mental health and no sane person would do that.

Treaclehair · 25/03/2023 14:36

Since it was a woman, it is reasonable to conclude there was probably a different ‘motivation’ and different causes.

Since it was a woman, she was struggling on her own in a system that says she is a plague on society for having the temerity to be female and alone with children.

Since it was a woman, she was caring for the boys alone.

Since it was a woman, she didn’t kill her boys father.

Since it was a woman, we don’t excuse or apportion blame, but we do look at the whole picture and it’s a slightly different one to the other recent case.

ChocSaltyBalls · 25/03/2023 14:37

mycatsanutter · 25/03/2023 12:35

She must have been very seriously mentally unwell to have committed such a heinous crime , those poor boys

She may have been but equally she may not.

BillyNoM8s · 25/03/2023 14:37

MichelleScarn · 25/03/2023 14:17

So if a man killed his children would you say 'where was the mother? She should have been more supportive'?

Quite! The bias and double standards on this site are shocking sometimes.

Men = evil. Women = always victims.

Some mothers are just shit.

ChocSaltyBalls · 25/03/2023 14:38

MichelleScarn · 25/03/2023 12:59

So is the general consensus dad murdering their children then suicide = evil horrible bustard. Mum murdering their children then suicide= poor her, and the dads fault?

Seems to be

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 25/03/2023 14:39

EverywhereILookIStillSeeYou · 25/03/2023 11:17

When women do this, there are usually a
very different reasons for it than when men do it.

Because you can’t leave them behind after killing yourself

okaybut · 25/03/2023 14:49

I do find the assumptions strange too. Killing/murders possibly related to her career issues (property boss, lived in swanky Mayfair property). In the other case where Mumsnet was so certain that the headteacher's husband killed his children and himself due to his career issues, this was seen as a bad manifestation of ego, rather then a point of sympathy.

okaybut · 25/03/2023 14:54

Or it could be due to the separation with her husband, and his resigning from their joint property firm – either way being jilted is not really an excuse to kill children.

It is a tragedy of course, and no sane man or woman would ever kill children, but the double gender standards are quite obvious on MN.

MichelleScarn · 25/03/2023 14:56

And I hope this poor bloody bereaved father of these children doesn't come across crap like the above that it's his fault for not giving the woman who killed their children enough support.