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Should I reply to CF ‘friend’? Feeling worthless

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Lucyintheskywithcubiczirconia · 16/03/2023 20:24

I’m a friendly, enthusiastic, helpful kind of person. Always done volunteer work, care for elderly family and neighbours etc. I’ve very recently had a devastating realisation that ‘friends’ now only ever contact me to ask me to volunteer for their latest money making ventures. I have low self esteem and this latest occurrence really upset me, I feel worthless and don’t know whether or not to reply to this friend’s message.
She organises events and asked me to help with a big one a few weeks ago. I drove over there nice and early, worked so hard all evening (was sweaty and achey afterwards) while she schmoozed and mingled. The event was a great success, she made lots of money and I was happy for her. However she did not pay me a penny, nor even send a thank you message or box of chocolates or any token of appreciation..This baffles me! Anyway, this was a few weeks ago and I feel pretty used, hurt and insignificant. She knows I’m financially in a very tight spot at the moment. She has just messaged me asking if I can help with another event next week and I don’t even want to respond. Please could you wise mumsnetters help me come up with a gracious reply that doesn’t provoke a disagreement as my self esteem is on the floor and I don’t have the strength or confidence to argue with a cf. Thank you very much in advance!

OP posts:
doubleshotcappuccino · 17/03/2023 07:08

I would say : thank you so much for asking me .. would love to help but needs must so need to focus on paid work for a while xx

KalimbaMoon · 17/03/2023 07:10

If you want to let her know she’s a CF without calling off the friendship, you could try this:

Hi CF, hope it all goes well for you but I can’t do it again, that last one really wore me out! Plus I can’t afford to work for nothing - I’m still waiting for that 20 quid, lol!

Emotionalsupportviper · 17/03/2023 07:15

PuzzledObserver · 16/03/2023 22:26

Just to clarify, was the previous event raising money for charity, or was it a business venture, making money for her?

If it’s for charity, and it’s one you are happy to support, then it would be perfectly legitimate to say that you would need your travel expenses covered. But that’s only if you actually want to give the time and effort, of course. You are under no obligation to help, even if she is your longest-standing friend in the whole world.

If it was a business venture, you just gave her several hours’ labour for nothing, and she is an arch CF who needs a hard No.

Just to clarify, was the previous event raising money for charity, or was it a business venture, making money for her?

I wondered this. At first it sounded like a charity thing, but then the implication was that it was something MLM or franchise, like a make-up party, or underwear.

If this is just to put money in CF's pocket, then stuff it!

Codlingmoths · 17/03/2023 07:15

It’s perfectly ok to say I need to prioritise paid work right now so can’t help.
Her:oh this will be paid!
you: to be honest that’s what you said a few weeks ago so I feel a bit burnt by that. You did very well out of a very successful event but I didn’t even cover petrol much less time.

ZombieKettle · 17/03/2023 07:17

"I only have capacity for paid work at the moment as money is tight. Hope your event goes well. Would love to catch up over a coffee soon."

You sound lovely, by the way OP. I'd treasure a friend like you.

pawprintseverywhere · 17/03/2023 07:17

Bunnyhascovidnoteggs · 16/03/2023 20:27

Hi CFF (cheeky fucker friend), just on with your invoice for the last event.. What time do you need me so I can give you a rough estimate of the bill for this one?
WOF (walk over friend)

This

IMarchToADifferentDrummer · 17/03/2023 07:18

Just to add to everything everyone has said, if you decide to say to meet up for a coffee or lunch, whatever, make sure you say something like 'in town' or at a local cafe people like or it'llbe your break at one if her do's! And that you'd be going Dutch or she'll expect you to pay - or when you order say you're each paying your own!

Frozendaquiri · 17/03/2023 07:20

Staying silent is cowering away and not going to help with your issues around assertiveness OP

Sunriseinwonderland · 17/03/2023 07:21

I get this all the time OP. I have friends constantly trying to involve me with their blasted pyramid schemes. I just say sorry no I'm too busy with my actual job.

CleaningOutMyCloset · 17/03/2023 07:23

I think if you know you won't see her for dust I'd go for one of the more scathing responses.

Hi x, the last even really wiped me out and it also took a chunk out of my spare time. I normally don't mind, but your lack of appreciation following the event, and the fact you only ever want to see me when you want free help means I'll be giving this one a miss. If you fancy meeting up for a cuppa and a chat at some point, I'll be up for that.
Thanks

I suspect you won't hear a peep

AngelDelightUK · 17/03/2023 07:23

Definitely “you haven’t paid me for the last one yet. It was really hard work so my fee for this one will be £xxx”

Let us know how you get on!

Novatherova · 17/03/2023 07:24

No.....

Stop being a doormat and a martyr.

Get a backbone. Only you are giving yourself low self esteem by putting up with idiots

drpet49 · 17/03/2023 07:25

tensmum1964 · 16/03/2023 23:19

I think mh response would be something like...Hi, I can't help you out this time. As exhausting as it was Im glad i was able to help you out last time but I'm not in a position to do any voluntary work at the minute. Sadly the bills don't pay themselves so I need to prioritise paid work. Hope it goes well and hope to catch up with you soon...

This is perfect

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 17/03/2023 07:27

SoCunningYouCanStickATailOnItAndCallItAFox · 16/03/2023 22:21

I think this is a bad suggestion, so forelock tugging. Thanks for asking, love to meet up. That's so far from the truth it's cringeworthy and she knows she's treating you like a doormat. Who doesn't even say thanks!
If you want non-confrontational, you could go with 'sorry, not this time, hope you get sorted'
That's neutral but you can read into that what you will, so if she knows, she knows, but you're not saying anything remotely door slamming, or calling her out (though she deserves that)

Couldn't agree more.

Why on earth would you say ‘thank you for asking’?? Confused

You're really bloody offended (and rightly so!) by her asking. So why thank her…?

Some of these suggestions are downright bizarre.

It’s either, ‘sorry, no, I can’t help’. Or ghost her. Simple as.

ZombieKettle · 17/03/2023 07:27

I'd missed that she'd offered to pay for the last event but hasn't yet. So I'd suggest:

'i only have capacity for paid work at the moment as money is so tight, and you still haven't paid me for the last one. Hope it goes well and is a great success'

But expect to lose the friendship, as I think she never had any intention of paying you.

MRex · 17/03/2023 07:28

"Hi CF, it's a bit awkward, but I didn't get paid for the last event yet. It was X hours 15 min. Please let me know when you've transferred the money. Thanks"

You won't see her for dust.

Loveyoutomatoes · 17/03/2023 07:30

Timeforabiscuit · 16/03/2023 20:31

I'm afraid I'm still wiped after the last event I helped at, but would be great to see you for a coffee and a catch up.

If they are a user, you won't see them for dust.

I've only recently discovered boundaries, but using them regularly really helps and stops any resentment. Hope you feel better and have people who nourish you too.

This is way too polite given the situation.
I'd tell hell the things you wrote in the opening message.

mightymam · 17/03/2023 07:31

She's an Amanda to your Anne. Tell her in crystal clear words to fuck off or she'll think you're fair game.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 17/03/2023 07:31

latetothefisting · 16/03/2023 21:03

If she asked " can you help?" and didnt mention payment then she was asking you to volunteer to help. At which point it is up to you to say yes if you were happy to, no if you weren't, and "I can't do it for free but if you want to pay me x per hour I will."

The fact that you're referring to her not even giving you a box of chocolates suggests you never discussed being paid so you can't blame her for not doing something she never offered and you never asked for!

Yes she sounds rude, and a user and cheeky fucker, and not a great friend but you have to take some responsibility too. You can't blame people for walking over you if you lie down on the floor in front of them!

Agree with this. In your OP you describe yourself as always volunteering, caring for elderly etc. so it could be that people think you are available and happy to do things for free. Most people running charity events would look for and accept free help just to cut costs.

Rude of her not to say thank you or even send a token gift and card but for your own sanity take this on the chin as the final straw and be firmer in future with others as well. I wouldn't be asking for a coffee if I felt used by a friend.

RichardsGear · 17/03/2023 07:32

I'd just keep it simple:

Hi, I can't do that date, already got plans, and by the way, you still haven't paid me for the last one. My details are....
Thanks!

DivorcedAndDelighted · 17/03/2023 07:33

verylowbattery · 16/03/2023 21:38

Could you change the story?

Forget about her being a friend. Friends don't exploit their friends!!

Treat her as a client if the money would come in handy.

" Hello, hope alls well. I was exhausted after the last one and I couldn't do the same work again for free. If you're looking for paid help, no problem. Just let me know the hours and hourly rate. "

This is a very sensible approach. Thinking positively, maybe you could ask her for a reference if you apply for similar paid work elsewhere in future. It was not a wasted experience if you learned something about yourself, whether that's recognising when you feel taken advantage of, or what work suits you, or not.

SkyandSurf · 17/03/2023 07:33

So she owes you money?

Absolutely text back your hours and the minimum wage for the work you did along with your bank details.

Then forget about her.

Beautiful3 · 17/03/2023 07:41

There is nothing worse than feeling used. I'd message back saying, " Sorry I cant help this time, I have to keep myself free for paid work. Hope it all goes well for you x"

DivorcedAndDelighted · 17/03/2023 07:46

NBLarsen · 16/03/2023 22:24

Hi friend, I won't be able to help you out with this event. I'm focusing on prioritising myself at the moment. I've spent so much time lately helping others out it's become a bit soul-destroying. Good luck, I hope it goes well.

This is a nice reply if you really don't want to risk any conflict but want to get her thinking.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 17/03/2023 07:53

Cosmos123 · 16/03/2023 22:03

HI cf,

That reminds me you
forgot to pay me for last time. Here are my account details
Xxxxxx
Xxxxxxxx

What times would you like help for this time I will check my diary.

Speak soon
X

Add
Local/my self employed waiting rates are 16£ ph.

So once the 128£ has cleared ill see if i can fit you in, at the same rate.