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Chester Draws, in a parallel universe

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 14/03/2023 14:37

Somewhere this week on MN, I've seen someone write about 'the luck of the drawer' - which still makes sense, as if there's a huge chest of many, many drawers & you have to pick one to open, without knowing what's inside any of them.

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GBoucher · 16/03/2023 01:09

She did pronounce walking and talking as walkin' and talkin' though. I am aware that there are regional accents that pronounce these as walken and talken. But her 'mingen' rhymed with her sodden, not with her walkin'. I can't believe I am having to write so many posts about minging 😂

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 02:46

skilpadde · 15/03/2023 17:13

I was replying only because you suggested your friend was wrong in thinking that minging is an adjective.

It is an adjective… one that’s used frequently in Scotland, so your friend was not wrong.

You’ve then gone on to say that I don’t “seem to realise that minging is an adjective that is derived from the verb 'to ming'”.

But we weren’t discussing the origins of minging, only that it is actually a valid adjective. Hopefully, you didn’t tell your friend that he was wrong.

Also, if you say 'she is minging', 'minging' is, in fact a verb, as it is the present participle of the verb 'to ming'. She is minging - she mings is the equivalent of she is singing - she sings. Minging, singing here are verbs. Only when you move 'minging' to before the noun does it take on the role of an adjective. She is minging (verb), minging bird (adjective). Saying 'she's mingen' is incorrect, as instead of using the present participle of the verb 'to ming', you're using mingen as if it were an adjective in its original form like ugly, tall, etc.

JarByTheDoor · 16/03/2023 04:12

I don't think so. In "She is minging" it feels like an adjective to me, not a verb. Minging isn't something she's actively doing, it's something she just is… Unless you are deliberately going for something self-consciously humorous, it wouldn't sound right to say "She minged at that party last night".

Where I live, at least, ming is one of those weird verbs that with most users is rarely heard except when transformed into either an adjective (like minging) or a noun (like minger).

I think "She is minging" is like "She is annoying" (meaning she is, intrinsically, an irritating person, not that she's currently actively annoying someone) or "That mask is frightening" (meaning it has the potential to scare someone, not necessarily that someone is being frightened by it right now). It doesn't have to be in the form "an annoying person" or "a frightening mask" for it to be functioning as an adjective.

Though yes, mingen is technically incorrectly inflected, but you could always assume she's treating it as an Old English verb… Grin

SinnerBoy · 16/03/2023 06:48

Saltywalruss · 14/03/2023 16:37

steep lurking curb just trying to imagine what one of those would look like

One of these, hiding:

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SinnerBoy · 16/03/2023 06:51

Have we had

Don't be such a pre-Madonna?

Lycanthropology · 16/03/2023 07:30

Also, if you say 'she is minging', 'minging' is, in fact a verb, as it is the present participle of the verb 'to ming'. She is minging - she mings is the equivalent of she is singing - she sings

It is an adjective in that case - she is smelly, minging and disgusting.
Have often does any ususe "ming" as a verb? What is the past tense? Minged? Mung?
As far as I'm aware, minging arrived as a fully formed adjective, following the pattern of disgusting, revolting, hanging etc. and to say that something 'mings' - if anyone does - is a backformation.

Though yes, mingen is technically incorrectly inflected, but you could always assume she's treating it as an Old English verb… Grin

Like it! "I had forgotten I had mingen"

Lycanthropology · 16/03/2023 07:31

*how often does anyone use

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 07:43

JarByTheDoor · 16/03/2023 04:12

I don't think so. In "She is minging" it feels like an adjective to me, not a verb. Minging isn't something she's actively doing, it's something she just is… Unless you are deliberately going for something self-consciously humorous, it wouldn't sound right to say "She minged at that party last night".

Where I live, at least, ming is one of those weird verbs that with most users is rarely heard except when transformed into either an adjective (like minging) or a noun (like minger).

I think "She is minging" is like "She is annoying" (meaning she is, intrinsically, an irritating person, not that she's currently actively annoying someone) or "That mask is frightening" (meaning it has the potential to scare someone, not necessarily that someone is being frightened by it right now). It doesn't have to be in the form "an annoying person" or "a frightening mask" for it to be functioning as an adjective.

Though yes, mingen is technically incorrectly inflected, but you could always assume she's treating it as an Old English verb… Grin

But doesn't the fact that you can use the -er suffix to the root of the verb 'to ming' to create 'minger' proof that minging a verb? A minger is someone that mings, i.e., someone that is minging. My friends and I have definitely said thing like 'She mings for Britain.' Anyway, in hindsight, I should have said in my first post, my friend spells 'minging' 'mingen' and left it at that. There was no need to go down the verb/adjective rabbit hole 😬

GettingStuffed · 16/03/2023 07:43

This door is alarmed

What alarmed it?

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 07:49

As for the past tense, after a heated discussion decades ago, my friends and I settled on ming - minged - minged.

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 07:54

Which reminds me of an unrelated bug bear of mine. Snuck. People who say 'I snuck in' instead of 'I sneaked in'. It makes me shudder.

cornflakegeneration · 16/03/2023 07:54

GettingStuffed · 16/03/2023 07:43

This door is alarmed

What alarmed it?

I don't get this - what should it say?

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 07:58

Isn't this just an example of simple perfect passive? Like 'the book is written'.

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 08:00

*simple present passive, I meant.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 16/03/2023 08:08

'He is minging' is a property, not an action. Same as 'He is tall". Adjective.

Lycanthropology · 16/03/2023 08:23

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 07:54

Which reminds me of an unrelated bug bear of mine. Snuck. People who say 'I snuck in' instead of 'I sneaked in'. It makes me shudder.

Now that, @GBoucher , I do agree with you on! Wink

JarByTheDoor · 16/03/2023 08:32

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 07:43

But doesn't the fact that you can use the -er suffix to the root of the verb 'to ming' to create 'minger' proof that minging a verb? A minger is someone that mings, i.e., someone that is minging. My friends and I have definitely said thing like 'She mings for Britain.' Anyway, in hindsight, I should have said in my first post, my friend spells 'minging' 'mingen' and left it at that. There was no need to go down the verb/adjective rabbit hole 😬

Minging is a present participle, which can act as a part of a present continuous verb tense or as a participial adjective. In the example you gave (she's minging) it feels more like an adjective to me, though you might feel differently.

I suppose minging could also potentially be a gerund if you really put your mind to it…

Grammar rabbit holes are fun!

JarByTheDoor · 16/03/2023 08:38

Lycanthropology · 16/03/2023 08:23

Now that, @GBoucher , I do agree with you on! Wink

Oh I kind of like snuck! I sort of enjoy it when people instinctively apply the remnants of Old English rules about vowel changes in verbs to words that shouldn't have it — it's a little glimmer of how our "irregular" verbs actually aren't all that irregular when you look into their history. Also it's just plain fun to complain at someone that they brothe on you.

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 08:42

'I suppose minging could also potentially be a gerund if you really put your mind to it…'

'The minging was too much to bear.'??

JarByTheDoor · 16/03/2023 08:43

Dear gods somebody actually went and did it.

@GBoucher what have you done…

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 09:11

😅

Lycanthropology · 16/03/2023 09:35

GBoucher · 16/03/2023 08:42

'I suppose minging could also potentially be a gerund if you really put your mind to it…'

'The minging was too much to bear.'??

👏👏

Gymnopedie · 16/03/2023 11:36

Just seen on another forum - tackless.

Lycanthropology · 16/03/2023 11:40

That didn't phase me!

JarByTheDoor · 16/03/2023 11:41

Gymnopedie · 16/03/2023 11:36

Just seen on another forum - tackless.

That's kind of fun, makes me think of someone who runs off at the mouth like a runaway horse. Sorta fits Grin

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