How similar do you think the language of 1930s Germany is to the current Tory rhetoric on people crossing the Channel

[cakeorwine]

Using words like invasion,

Stigmatising people coming across the Channel

All the headlines in the news.

I think that we are moving towards language that does demonise people. No matter what you think, the language we use is important. And it's not just people who cross the Channel who face this behaviour

This

If you were doing a compare and contrast exercise

Only because De Pfeffle wanted to emulate his hero Churchill

So you still can't provide specific examples.

Everything is always linked back to Nazi rhetoric. Can’t we find any other period in history to use to make the point? It feels lazy.

@Chevyimpala67

No response?

Cant find any?

Or just want to deal in irrelevancies?

“Ukrainian men stayed and fought”? Plenty of people have ukrainian mean living with them here in the UK ( their right to choose and they did).

Do you have a suggestion?

It wasn't their right to choose. See below:

For the period of martial law, the Decree of the President of Ukraine of 24.02.2022 № 64/2022 "On the imposition of martial law in Ukraine" prohibits male Ukrainian citizens aged 18 to 60 from travelling abroad.

According to the requirements of the legislation, restrictions on crossing the border to leave Ukraine do not apply to individuals in this category, in particular:

• who have a certificate of deferment of conscription and notification of enrollment in special military registration (in accordance with the decision of the Government to approve the list of positions and professions of conscripts subject to reservation for the period of mobilization and wartime);

• who have an opinion of the military medical commission on unfitness with exclusion from military registration;

• who raise three or more children under the age of 18;

• who raise a child (children) under the age of 18 on their own;

• dependent on a child with a disability under the age of 18 or an adult child who is a person with a disability of the I or II group, until he/she reaches 23 years of age;

• adoptive parents, guardians, trustees, foster parents, who are dependent on orphans or children deprived of parental care under the age of 18;

• engaged in constant care for persons in need, in the absence of other persons who can provide such care;

• who left for other states for permanent residence, which is documented accordingly;

• applicants for professional higher and higher education, trainee assistants, graduate students and doctoral students studying abroad in full-time or dual forms of education (students, listeners).

In addition, conscripts or certain categories of citizens may cross the border to leave Ukraine in cases provided by law, in particular:

• drivers who are reserved for international cargo transportation, transportation for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, medical cargo and humanitarian aid cargoes, in accordance with the established procedure;

• people with disabilities and accompanying persons.

We would like to draw your attention to the fact that all citizens who fall under the exemption must have the necessary documents to prove it. At the same time, during the border control measures, their validity and the fact of issuance by the relevant authorities will be checked.

Roman Imperialism?

Soviet Imperialism?

Mongol imperialism?

People use Nazis because it's extensively taught about in the UK, with most families living here having some family involvement in one way or another. So it's relatable.

A shame the usual whataboutery gang have turned up to try and change the topic, which was specifically the language used.

OK.

I've asked numerous times and have been ignored.

Please give an example of anything a Tory has said that is the equivalent of what the Nazi party said.

Do you live in a working class area where the refugees have been housed?

I haven’t heard the politicians specifically use those phrases, which ones have said them?

Does anyone have a transcript? Or video?

it’s a tough one, most people when it comes down to it are not very happy when their long built communities are comprised by newcomers. It always strikes me those whose communities aren’t affected by mass immigration are quite happy to call others ‘racist’ etc. because they’ve not experienced what it’s like.

We all want to be nice people, but we also all value our communities. It’s not actually very kind to dismiss concerns about huge numbers of immigrants changing communities that have existed for decades and even centuries

As usual, it's the privileged middle classes, living in areas where they aren't suffering the consequences of uncontrolled illegal immigration, who are all for open borders. These people like to label as "far right" any one with an ounce of common sense, or the poorer people in our society who actually ARE negatively effected by the channel boat migrants.

Nobody is advocating for open borders and it is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise. What people opposed to this government's legislation want is very simple:

• for it to meet its obligations under international law on human rights; that is, for the UK to take its fair share of refugees
• for the UK to invest in the staffing and infrastructure that will allow asylum applications to be processed in a timely and just fashion
• for the UK to create possibilities for refugees to apply from outside the UK so that they do not need to make dangerous crossings.

People like you are just xenophobes who want the UK to take no refugees at all.

I wish youd done this in AIBU so we could have a vote.

Who said anything at all about open borders?

@VeniVidiWeeWee

you could start by reading this article by an 83 year old Holocaust survivor written in January this year.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/17/confronted-suella-braverman-holocaust-survivor-refugees-home-secretary

or is this lady just tofu-eating wokerati representing the liberal elite?

They are the sort of people who complain about their neighbours parking and the kids next door kicking their footballs over the fence. Always hypocrites

I quite liked when the Florida geezer tested this and bused hundreds of illegal immigrants to the rather posh Martha’s Vineyard. The well to do residents had them shipped straight back out in 24 hours saying ‘they didn’t have the resources to look after them’

oh the irony

"People like me"? You don't even know who I am. I'm descended from Caribbean slaves.
I want the UK to be able to accommodate those who have genuine need, and quickly deport those who have come illegally without a legitimate claim, who are withholding help from those who need it.

But THANKS for proving my point that anyone with an ounce of common sense nowadays is branded as fascist/xenophobic/far right etc. These words have truly lost all meaning thanks to people like you.

People like you are just xenophobes who want the UK to take no refugees at all.

Any self awareness that you are making sweeping generalisations and ‘othering’ a group of people ar all?

This Government is shameful. People who voted for it should be taking a long, hard look at themselves.

Loads of Tory politicians. Against their illegal bill = wanting open borders. I can't believe (well, I can) that people are stupid enough to fall for that and repeat it. Almost nobody in public life and no main political party, including Labour, has called for open borders to the rest of the world, doesn't stop the gullible believing Tory lies saying they have though.

@pointythings

"for it to meet its obligations under international law on human rights; that is, for the UK to take its fair share of refugees"

Please enlighten me. What specific legislation applies here? "Fair Share" seems to be very wishy-washy for actual law.

@Hostofgoldendaffodils you're the one who put up the straw man of open borders. And given the ethnicity of our current Home Secretary, your ancestry doesn't impress me. Racists and xenophobes come in all colours. So do you want the things I listed in my post? Do you not see the parallels in the graphic I posted? Are you blind to where the UK is going?