How similar do you think the language of 1930s Germany is to the current Tory rhetoric on people crossing the Channel

[cakeorwine]

Using words like invasion,

Stigmatising people coming across the Channel

All the headlines in the news.

I think that we are moving towards language that does demonise people. No matter what you think, the language we use is important. And it's not just people who cross the Channel who face this behaviour

You can see it now.
Negative stories about people who cross the Channel
Negative stories about travellers.
Negative stories about Muslims
Negative stories about LGBT people.

All designed to create narratives and stories in people's mind to associate groups with negative behaviours. To see them as other. Not us.

Agree too. @cakeorwine talks about using emotive language to ‘other’ but Gary Lineker does the same by using the Nazis policy leading to the ‘final solution’ as an analogy To the Tory immigration policy and language.

They are so different the analogy is just crap, And shows why Linekar should stick to reporting sport not international politics!!

Language is important.

Have you ever considered how it feels to be part of the group that sees regular headlines and stories about them that are all negative and the effect it can have on them and how they are perceived by other people?

Put yourselves in their shoes

What about when a Holocaust survivor makes that comparison?
is it valid then? amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/14/suella-braverman-wont-apologise-to-holocaust-survivor-for-calling-migrants-invasion

or do you think her use of the analogy based on her lived experience is ‘crap’ too?

Braverman's language and attitude can probably be attributed to her growing up in a cult. Mistrust of outsiders and the law are very much Cult attributes.

Soon other minority groups will be targetted by someone and the Government will be surprised how it happened.

Language matters

I was reading about the Spanish civil War recently. No-one wanted the Spanish refugees. They were treated appallingly.

I do worry about the influx of mainly young disenfranchised men who have a completely different view of the role of women into our country.

No. This is about language.

Mr Lineker said the language used by the Tories was akin to that used in 1930's Germany.

I doubt he was talking about the end of the Weimar.

Of course we should question...but unless you can actually add more helpful Research and solutions to the fundamental problem of illegal immigrants bypassing the Uk regulations....then you are no better than the Tory politicians you so clearly dislike.

A Holocaust survivor speaks their truth and of course it has to be heard. My issue is the nuance in the language I'm seeing which is so worrying. If you say the tories attitude is like how the Germans treated THEIR OWN people it's fine with me.

The 'Othering' of the Jews in this narrative is like a dog whistle to racists to say "see they were never 'really' German" and that's what I want to highlight. The slow creep creep of it.

Read David Baddiel on the subject it's illuminating.

Hope that makes sense! I have no time for the tory scummy rhetoric or approach to this issue.

I do agree about othering people with language though. You see it all the time online now.

Call women TERFS, call men Gammons, call people with different opinions than you bigots or nazis.

Dehumanise people by calling them carriers, or uterus havers, bleeders, then you can other them.

Yes I am Jewish so every fucking day.

what are you, a white privileged virtue signaller by chance?

What do you think he was talking about?

People have mentioned words such as swarm, invasion
Linking people who cross the Channel to rape and murder
Using words such as illegal

How do you think the hate against Jewish people started during the rise of the Nazis ?

People turned in their neighbours. How did that happen?

You know nothing about me - so please don't jump to conclusions.

But well done on the language you have used.

Why use that language?

So your point is that unless we’re in a position to formulate government policy we shouldn’t discuss it or have opinions on it on internet forums?
You’re not a fan of free speech and democracy then? 😂

and what do you mean by “of course we should question…. But if you without all these caveats you’re no better than a Tory politician”? It doesn’t really make sense. How are the two things comparable?

Do you genuinely think they’re out there conducting sociological research on asylum seekers to inform their policies?

So those people in those categories had a right to choose and did, hence living with families in the UK?

Thanks, unlike you I’m actually able to follow the thread thread. This point was answered on page 1

What "Globalists" are you referring to? Please be specific

It does makes sense

i’m just not really sure why you’re quoting me? I don’t think I’ve suggested that German Jews were anything other than German 🤷‍♀️

@MrsSkylerWhite we are in the North West. We have minimal immigration but people here fear immigration above almost anything else. Bullshit whipped up by a nasty, racist Government, driven mostly by people who pulled the ladder up after them. Sickening. I live in the North West and don't recognise what youi're saying, And are you saying that people can't think for themselves, but just believe anything and everything that they hear?

@CampervanKween I do agree about othering people with language though. You see it all the time online now.
Call women TERFS, call men Gammons, call people with different opinions than you bigots or nazis.
Dehumanise people by calling them carriers, or uterus havers, bleeders, then you can other them.
Yes, I agree .
And, while I totally agree with the misuse of language to 'other' people. sadly it seems that many people have lost the ability to think and reason for themselves.

If you don’t want to do this, you are rewarding these illegals by letting them stay.
They’re actually not illegal. It’s not illegal to cross the channel to seek sanctuary. Oh, and they’re called people, or Humans, if you like. As Others have said, language is important so please try not to use dehumanising terms. It’s a government trick to ensure you are inured to the tragedies that have befallen these people.

Oh and we take fewer refugees per head of population than any other EU country. So the landmass has nothing to do with the discussion.

I doubt much of the general public know much or can relate to those tbh…

The comparison in this case is apt

Not having a national day to commemorate any of your suggestions is a clue on relatability.

Though I guess people use phrases such as ‘the Jewish people’ because it wasn’t just German Jews who were targeted, but Jews of many other nationalities too, along with Roma and people with disabilities .

Because your use of language is incredibly patronising.

Of course I can jump to any conclusion I like about you as the poster, based on your responses. As are you when you assume no one here understands the importance of language 🙄