Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

I’m sorry but can we stop using “MH” issues as an excuse for people to behave completely abhorrently?

I see it all the fucking time and it drives me insane. On this thread, “oh maybe the poor little dear had MH issues”. So what if he did? He’s a murdering scumbag with an overflated sense of self who murdered his wife and child, more than likely because he had a bruised ego and was jealous.

Even in day to day life it’s fucking everywhere. In work people can bully others, not show up, not do their job and as long as they trot out that they have “anxiety” or “depression” (it’s never something that has been diagnosed by a psychiatrist, mind) it’s as if a red carpet is rolled out for them to get away with it and everyone spends the rest of the time walking on egg shells around them, and picking up their slack.

When are we going to start calling it as it actually is? When is someone who murders their wife and child just a murderer and not some little flower who felt anxious that day and they “couldn’t help” it?

This guy is a piece of shit. Anyone feeling sorry for him needs their own head examined, quite frankly.

Hbh17
I am female, and I believe it is still possible to feel compassion for someone who commits a crime. None of us know the circumstances, and it is still sad that 3 young people have died

Christ, you sound like one of those sad desperate fucks who write to men serving time for murder or rape and thinks they’re “in love”.
Get a grip on reality woman.

Dear God. The one place where you're meant to feel safe, your own home. Utterly heartbreaking.

Yes, great book. I'd also recommend In Control, by Jane Monckton Smith.

This is my thinking.

We all know that a woman is most at risk when she tells a controlling man it's over.

Certainly I am able to confidently assert the views and inner beliefs of every single person that I know of either gender. And luckily like this poster they are all entirely the same.

ffs.

RIP Emma and Lettie.

So sorry. May they rest in peace.

to the women yesterday who were bleating about ‘we don’t know if it was a faulty boiler that killed them all’

WAKE UP. Men like killing us and our children. They do it ALL THE TIME.

One thing I’m glad NOT to see on the news is reports of him being a ‘dedicated family man’ etc

Ditto, we live down the road and drive past the headmaster's house when taking dc swimming at the College. I used to always wonder what it must be like to get to live in that house as part of your job and how the job never leaves you as you live on the school grounds. It will be sad driving past it now.

There is absolutely nothing bloody isolated about this incident, I can't be the only one who had a parade of similar circumstances go through their mind when they heard about this.

Just today that bastard Carrick has been sentenced to life for years and years of violence against women. And just a few months ago Cozens. Police officers who are supposed to protect us. My view of men is very jaundiced today.

DV happens to all kinds of women, even strong, capable women like this. I hope anyone whose being abused will read this and reach out for help to leave.
Emma and Lettie, go in peace

The case of Theresa Riggi who killed her 3 children in Edinburgh back in 2014(?). Yes women kill their families, it's not unheard of. But it's so so rare.

I'm sorry for Emma and Lettie.

I'm sorry for the family member who had to receive that phone call and drive over and find them. Imagine that journey. Maybe the police got there first, I hope so.

I'm sorry for all their extended family and friends, for the pupils at her school, for Lettie's friends who are just young and will come to understand what happened to their friend. Who might then question their safety and security within their own homes and families.

I have no compassion for him.

He has destroyed so many lives through his actions, not just the lives of the two people he murdered.

No you dint have to have severe mental health issues to do something like this. Sometimes it's just badness, and a personality issue not psychosis.

He ended three lives.
He killed his wife and daughter.
He deserves no compassion.

This has made me insanely angry, what an amazing woman who was bringing up an amazing little girl.

No words for man. It’s times like this I hope there is a heaven and hell.

I'm the great great granddaughter of a woman who drowned herself and most of her kids, but when I read the headline, of course I thought that it was a murder-suicide committed by him, not her.

Firstly because it's statistically much more likely and secondly because they were in a situation where her job dictated their place of residence and she had a higher public profile than him. Some men don't like that.

What a waste. May the victims rest in peace.

Exactly. Women suffer from mh issues and are less likely to do this.

Men are more likely to kill their family as part of it. It needs to be acknowledged more, not just swept aside as mh problems or it happens rarely with women.

Ffs @ all the people mentioning or linking cases of women killing their children as some kind of sick gotcha. Just stop. Women do not kill their partners and kids then themselves. Men do that.

There may be a few cases where women have killed their children (BUT NOT THEIR CHILDREN’S FATHER!) but come on, 10 since 1900, described in some gross clickbait article? Take a long hard look in the mirror and think why you felt the need to post that on this thread. What is wrong with you?!

Far more likely that he killed himself because he killed her and his daughter than he murdered them because he was suicidal.

So not the same. Not the same mindset of her husband being her possession.

Catspyjamas sorry quotes your post by mistake. Should have quoted another.

I don't - I agree it is depressing and scary especially for women, other headline news today, police officer sentenced after 85 separate incidents carried out on 49 women. Bore off with no woman I know feels that way, yes they do, they absolutely do.

@Lentilweaver Amazingly, women with MH issues manage not to annihilate their families. This is a male violence issue

Agree 100%.
Please, any woman in danger , get yourself and your children out. Contact Women’s Aid, the police, go to friends or family—— anything, just get as far away as you can.

What sort of bastard does this? Plenty of help available to him if he had MH problems.

I don't understand why guns used for leisure are allowed to be kept in homes.

Why can't we have some sort of locker system at local police stations? You could store them a your local station and go pick them up when you want to go shoot. Charge for the service.

If he hadn't had a gun to hand would they still be alive?

That makes me wonder whether she was on MN back then.

And how the hell did he have a gun when they lived in a school?