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Epsom College Murder Suicide

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PleaseStopSayingHuBbY · 07/02/2023 11:10

I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

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knittingaddict · 11/02/2023 08:49

I'm fairly sure all psychopaths are born that way, however a psychopaths upbringing can mean the difference between them acting on it or not. A psychopath bought up in a stable family, having no trauma and having a good moral foundation will almost certainly not become an abuser or killer.

That doesn't mean that men from decent families won't be abusers and it doesn't mean all abusers are psychopaths.

I'm almost certain the the abusive man I know is a covert narcissist, not a psychopath, but I might be wrong about that.

snowballer · 11/02/2023 09:12

"Did woman with high flying job contribute to her own murder by being more successful than her poor husband?"

Fucking hell Daily Mail. Just when you think they can't get any worse.

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Hoppinggreen · 11/02/2023 09:16

I saw that headline.
Absolutely fucking outrageous

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/02/2023 09:47

Hoppinggreen · 11/02/2023 09:16

I saw that headline.
Absolutely fucking outrageous

It IS effing outrageous!

Women - know your place!

How DARE the DM do this - even by their standards of shoddy, incendiary, misogynistic journalism, this is APPALLING!

AlwaysGinPlease · 11/02/2023 10:23

@Emotionalsupportviper shocking isn't it!

"Poor man made to feel inadequate by his beautiful clever wife" Fucking stupid journalists.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/02/2023 10:46

Oh god that’s a new low, even for that rag.

I have complained about it to the independent press complaints organisation.

if you also wish to you can do so here: www.ipso.co.uk/

CaveMum · 11/02/2023 11:50

The misogyny in that headline is utterly appalling. It really is the case that women are to blame for whatever men do, isn’t it?

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/02/2023 12:12

Emotionalsupportviper · 11/02/2023 09:47

It IS effing outrageous!

Women - know your place!

How DARE the DM do this - even by their standards of shoddy, incendiary, misogynistic journalism, this is APPALLING!

I knew it would be her fault. It always is.

brujarosada · 11/02/2023 12:25

Can you ever, ever imagine such a headline if a woman were to kill her family (as if this would happen in a similar way)? As if men are entitled to be more the important and successful partner in the relationship and it's a great wrong to a man if he isn't - it's absolutely sickening.

AliasGrape · 11/02/2023 13:04

BitOutOfPractice · 11/02/2023 10:46

Oh god that’s a new low, even for that rag.

I have complained about it to the independent press complaints organisation.

if you also wish to you can do so here: www.ipso.co.uk/

I’ve complained too.

There’s also this egregious piece of namalt-ing and whatabouttery from the same paper

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Emotionalsupportviper · 11/02/2023 19:32

It never ends, does it?

Always the women at fault,

Never the men expected to take responsibility for their actions.

Ndd135632 · 12/02/2023 00:06

Oh latest is that a relative of his now says it must have been a moment of madness. Oh fuck orrrrrrrf

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/02/2023 08:03

Ndd135632 · 12/02/2023 00:06

Oh latest is that a relative of his now says it must have been a moment of madness. Oh fuck orrrrrrrf

They shouldn't be giving these people any attention.

Of course they're not going to say "My brother/ son/ nephew/uncle/ whatever was a controlling coercive bar-steward who wanted all of the economic benefits of a high-flying wife but resented her eclipsing him and showing the world he was just average. We were surprised she didn't leave him years ago"

They'll just protect him and distance themselves from his appalling actions.

Getting a gun from a locked cabinet, loading it, herding your wife and daughter together, (ore hunting them down in the house - I don't know if they were together or separate) threatening them with the weapon and then shooting them dead in cold blood is not "a moment of madness". Emma will have pleaded with him and tried to calm him down. Terrified little Letty will have been sobbing.

It was deliberate and calculated murder by a man who was insanely jealous of his wife's success and furiously angry when people said "My word! Your Emma is doing really well for herself, isn't she?" and possibly couldn't bear the thought of his daughter eclipsing him too, one day.

Ndd135632 · 12/02/2023 09:02

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/02/2023 08:03

They shouldn't be giving these people any attention.

Of course they're not going to say "My brother/ son/ nephew/uncle/ whatever was a controlling coercive bar-steward who wanted all of the economic benefits of a high-flying wife but resented her eclipsing him and showing the world he was just average. We were surprised she didn't leave him years ago"

They'll just protect him and distance themselves from his appalling actions.

Getting a gun from a locked cabinet, loading it, herding your wife and daughter together, (ore hunting them down in the house - I don't know if they were together or separate) threatening them with the weapon and then shooting them dead in cold blood is not "a moment of madness". Emma will have pleaded with him and tried to calm him down. Terrified little Letty will have been sobbing.

It was deliberate and calculated murder by a man who was insanely jealous of his wife's success and furiously angry when people said "My word! Your Emma is doing really well for herself, isn't she?" and possibly couldn't bear the thought of his daughter eclipsing him too, one day.

Agree. The Sunday Times is at it today too aswell. Trying to justify justify. Makes me sick. Written by a female too. Rosie Kinchen. Shame on her. Everyone trying to understand and justify these evil men.

SweetSakura · 12/02/2023 09:35

The narrative is utterly sickening. And sends a chilling message to successful women.

And it hits hard because that was my experience as I extricated myself from am abusive relationship. A sense that lots of professionals even couldn't understand the power he held over me when I was a successful professional myself. And a sense that friends and family saw his abuse as a response to my success and not that he was a an abusive arse. In fact his abuse began when I was pregnant and most vulnerable. My success climbed after that as I think work was an escape from him and also I knew subconsciously I wanted out and needed the means to be independent.

himdy · 12/02/2023 09:53

Unfortunately, I know a couple like this IRL. Since marrying this lazy man, my best friend became a shell of herself. She had to go back to work when baby turned 3 months, as H was making any money from his pt self-employment , so, naturally, H looked after the baby. Now he's telling to anyone who's listening that she's a bad mother and he's reared the child singlehandedly- while still living off her earnings! He's putting her down in front of others constantly- all because he knows he's nobody without her.
I have suspected from the beginning it was the same with headteacher's family.

brujarosada · 12/02/2023 13:28

https://youtube.com/shorts/rVAJffqjJOw?feature=share

Discussed upthread. In fact Laura Richards has weighed in on this too.

thetimehascomesaidthewalrus · 12/02/2023 13:32

These are terrible truths, which absolutely ring true to my own experience.

These half-developed, emotionally-stunted, often (or always?) narcissistic men, who so frequently attack women when the latter are at their most vulnerable (in pregnancy or early motherhood when stress levels are higher) - Surely an early red flag - Are we REALLY supposed to forgive and forget, brush it under the carpet, pretend all is well? Look at the history, the degree of calculation and planning here: how often are these men routinely using the woman's weaknesses/vulnerabilities against her? Undermining her confidence, sense of self, knowledge of her own rights? I have experienced some of that. Poor brave Emma, working so hard over the years to hold it all together, to maintain the illusion, supporting and tolerating in her home this pathetic ticking time bomb who chose to exercise the ultimate control, exert maximum pain on others and finally escape facing up to his actions too.

In Shakespeare's Othello, one character (the unimaginably sinister Iago, I think) says of Cassio (a delightful, whole, infinitely better person) something like: ' He has a daily beauty in his life/ That makes me ugly'.

I've never forgotten the insight of those lines. My abuser was never happy on the occasions when others were affirming or celebrating anything about me. Surely a red flag, when I should have trusted my gut....

These family annihilators/woman killers are basically incels who should never have got a partner or child in the first place. If only there were effective ways to ascertain which partners might have this psychological profile, before a trusting, empathetic person (usually a woman) gets too involved with them - perhaps even out of initial misplaced sympathy for their emotional inadequacy.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/02/2023 17:37

These family annihilators/woman killers are basically incels who should never have got a partner or child in the first place.

Very true @thetimehascomesaidthewalrus - unfortunately their egos demand that they always have a woman (the more attractive and high-achieving the better, probably) at their beck and call, because that feeds their arrogance. They want to be the man who has "caught" this very desorable wife/partner because it makes them look good.

Unfortunately it then undermines them and makes them angry, too.

A child helps to keep the woman in the relationship, and also makes her more vulnerable. She now has someone she needs to protect from him and he can use the child as a weapon and twist that knife whenever and however he wishes. It's all very calculated.

They are very difficult men to get away from because they just won't accept the woman walking away.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/02/2023 17:42

brujarosada · 12/02/2023 13:28

https://youtube.com/shorts/rVAJffqjJOw?feature=share

Discussed upthread. In fact Laura Richards has weighed in on this too.

Thank you - just watched this and she's spot on.

Inadequate men who can't bear for anyone to achieve anything - especially their wives/partners.

SerafinasGoose · 12/02/2023 18:11

Ndd135632 · 12/02/2023 00:06

Oh latest is that a relative of his now says it must have been a moment of madness. Oh fuck orrrrrrrf

It's totally disrespectful to the victims and their families that the family of this murderer are being given a platform even to talk about this, let alone attempt to mitigate his actions (which it was almost a given they would do).

I despair of this laissez faire attitude to women's safety and our very lives, as though we were nothing more than expendable commodities. The media has a huge amount to answer for in their constant peddling and dissemination of these harmful attitudes. I'm not sure whether I am growing more cynical the more misogyny I see, or whether things truly have got worse again in the last decade or so.

Emma and her beautiful little girl deserved better. I am so sorry our media, our justice system and the very fabric of our society has failed them.

thetimehascomesaidthewalrus · 12/02/2023 19:16

They are very difficult men to get away from because they just won't accept the woman walking away.

Yes Emotionalsupportviper - this exactly. It is my current situation.

I feel much safer now because I managed to move out a while back.

Now the abuse has shifted to financial: he still controls the equity and any idea of compromise or any discussion of equal division/sharing isn't even a concept to him. We are the possessions that are temporarily misbehaving/gone astray. His worldview is not to be questioned.

A comment he made a while back:

'I am an octopus, I have got my tentacles around you, you can't get rid of me, you won't escape'. I wish I was joking.

Chilling.

LookItsMeAgain · 12/02/2023 19:38

BitOutOfPractice · 11/02/2023 10:46

Oh god that’s a new low, even for that rag.

I have complained about it to the independent press complaints organisation.

if you also wish to you can do so here: www.ipso.co.uk/

I've reported the article. It's truly disgusting. I do hope that the IPSO take the Daily Fail to task on this.

BitOutOfPractice · 12/02/2023 19:43

@thetimehascomesaidthewalrus goodness that really is terrifying. I hope you can stay safe.

Id be tempted to say, yea you’re like an actions, slimey, unappealing and ugly as sin. But that seems rude to octopi

BitOutOfPractice · 12/02/2023 19:44

*an octopus

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