Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

Before it was announced that the husband had been the perpetrator, I Googled her name and read an interview she gave where she referred to their family life.
This struck me as odd:

I've got a new job, my husband's got a new job which wasn't meant to happen but did, and my daughter has started a new school...

I knew in my heart this would be the case. What a sad world we live in.
Many years ago we had the Mochrie Murder suicide case happen very close by. Tragic was not the word.

Indeed. Maybe the PP can go cheer up the women enslaved by the Taliban and tell them they have nothing to fear too. Privileged idiot.

Shooting range - school will likely have a huge combined cadet force too.

It was his own gun. He had a license

I don't hate all men. I have a lovely husband and gorgeous grandsons, but I also had a vile abusive son in law. I hate some men with a passion that I don't have towards anyone else. There are too many of them and women and children are the victims.

Women here are just venting about the out of control male violence and misogyny there is in the world. I don't think it's anyone's place to shut down the emotive posts on a day like this. I feel quite emotional myself.

Disgusting excuse for a man, much less a human being!

Very saddened and fucking angry, but not shocked. This 'man' is (was) a vile and sickening coward, and an absolute monster. How DARE he think he has the right to end the lives of his wife and child? How fucking DARE he?

I am so SO SO sick of male entitlement, and how they act like their wife and children are possessions, and chattels, and thatTHEY can call time on when they die.

Women are fucked over by men constantly, all throughout their lives... From the second they hit puberty, they are catcalled and sexually harassed and sometimes abused, (and called vile names when they don't kow-tow to the advances.) They are expected to be the main childcarer, made to put their career on hold (or give it up,) when they have children, expected to be second best in the workplace as men often get promoted a lot more often, made to tolerate mens shitty behaviour - like not lifting a finger around the house, and having inappropriate friendships with other women - that the wives must tolerate lest we get accused of being possessive and unreasonable! Married women rarely have weirdly close friendships with other men, that exclude the husband, yet men do it all the time with other women. (Usually single or divorced women.)

As you can probably tell, I am fucking FUMING. FUMING at the entitlement of men. It never ends, and this is an extreme case, but so many things lead up to this, and there are so many different layers and stages of male entitlement. God help the next generation of girls and women (and the next and the next...)

R.I.P. Emma and Lettie. ❤

I was one, at the first instance (when almost no info given) said perhaps not good to speculate.
While I thought there was a 95% chance it would be the husband, there was a tiny possibility in could have been carbon monoxide poisoning or gas leak.

As soon as any more detail came out I realised it was the most obvious, depressing and sad outcome.

Exactly this! This shit is the tip of the iceberg. As I said, the kind of SHIT that women have to tolerate throughout their lives, BECAUSE OF MEN is just shocking and devastating and upsetting. I am fucking disgusted at the male apologists on here. They HAVE to be men, they HAVE to be. No woman I know - not ONE - would be saying the things the male apologists are saying on here. It's making me so angry, and actually upsetting me too.

What going through his head to do this though.because is it a violent attack against his wife and child intent to kill/murder.then off himself. Does that make sense? Like he actively got angry blah blah and went to murder them.or a suicide and murder too?( I know,i know why would you still take out your family) but...

The most cowardly of acts. Kill yourself if that's the way you want to go, but your family? Your little DAUGHTER? Horrific. Absolutely horrific.
No sympathy for the man at all.

But that poor little girl, cut down by one of the people she should have been able to trust the most, who should have been protecting her? No words.

My feelings exactly. So depressing.

I was left in no doubt that this was the case from the reporting, and obituary style tributes to Emma. So unbelievably tragic. I can't imagine the fear and pain she must have felt in those last moments and hope the poor child was asleep.

Fuck compassion. I have no compassion for him. He didn’t kill then due to ‘mental health issues’; he killed them because he saw them as his possessions and preferred to destroy them rather than let anyone else have them.

We all knew that this 'isolated incident' would be another pathetic, murderous man. I'm so sorry for Emma and Lettie's family, so much potential, so much loss.

You are so right about the school. I went to an independent boarding school, the community was so close. An event like this would have devastated and destabilised us horrendously. That appaling man has not only killed that wonderful woman and his own precious child, not to mention as good as killed their families - but the school will be unbelievably tainted and affected. Who would ever want to live in that house again, what parent will want to start attending open days there etc
The shame his own family must feel too.
I expect we will learn about his background but nothing seems to be online about his family or working life.

Utterly tragic.

Why are people rushing in with fuckwitted theories to feel important and clever. It’s sickening. We know nothing apart from the tragic things the police have released. There’s just no need for this, it’s crass, disrespectful and disgusting.

100% this. Such a strange thing to say, has obviously been a major bone of contention.

Glad to find the tone here is what I hoped for. I’ve found Mumsnet talk lately so often just doesn’t seem to live in reality- tone, attitudes in opposite to those I know, like and respect as well my own feelings. Glad to read the massages of anger here.
What an arsehole he was.

This is so distressing for the children within the school-2 year groups have major exams coming up GCSEs & A Levels and there are white tents up by the English block. Yesterday a helicopter was circling overhead all day-they will all be suffering because of his actions. I agree the gun laws within school grounds have to be tightened up. Am so sick of this happening again and again-men murdering innocent people they are meant to protect

Wtaf