Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

Not surprised, the wretched, evil coward.

I bet the 2016 report of DV HE tried to make was the classic deflection tactic these abusers often make.

Once she had made that distressed call to the relative, he knew his public mask had slipped and he took the most evil steps after that.

Fucks sake, we’ve been doing that for YEARS. We’re EXHAUSTED calling for more support/an end to VAWG.

Again, it's always again. I thought this was what had happened.

But of course he wouldn't have just taken himself off to kill himself. Emma would have been fine to raise Lettie on her own. How utterly terrifying for them both.

They were possessions to him.

I've read one (in the US) though she killed her kids, not her partner and kids.

Her bf didnt want her kids, that was the main motivation.

However it's very unusual - a tiny tiny percentage.

10 spanning back from the early 1900s? As you say this is just a couple of them, perhaps posting how many and then from the same time period how many men?

And yes, I would have felt compassion for him if he had only taken his own life.

That would have been his choice.

His wife and daughter did not get a choice because he made that choice for them.

My compassion and sadness is for Emma and Lettie.

The carbon monoxide theory people were putting forward was clutching at straws. Had it been that there’d have been a third party to blame. Carbon monoxide poisoning is a serious crime.

I think it’s perfectly normal to feel no compassion towards this man. He’s a monster. Imagine how terrified a seven year old was watching her mother be murdered and knowing she was next. He deserves to go to hell. This case shows no woman is immune from male violence. RIP Emma and Lettie.

What circumstances justify killing a mother and her child.FFS

Give me one good reason as to why we should have compassion for a murderer.

I have had a couple of times of suicidal thoughts, and a number of actual incidents of self harm

i lived with someone who was subjecting me to emotional abuse and ended up with depression, ptsd and anxeityattacks

Even with that, an ex who as deliberately harming me, I never once thought about killing him when I thought about killing me. And god forbid it would not occurred to me to also kill my children. In fact it was the fact my children would be left without a mother that stopped me from taking my life.

I am sympathetic to people who end up in prison as a result of mental health issues.

but I do draw the line at using mental health as the excuse of why a man would take his own wife’s life and his children. That is not mental health issue. If he was at point of dispaire he’d have taken his own life partly to protect his child.

he murdered his wife becuase he was angry with her. That is the only reasons. Sheer anger, control, hatred. He then took his own life becuase he was a coward to then face justice- and killed his child becuase he didn’t like the thought his child would hold that act of murdering her mother against him (whether he was dead or alive) for the rest of her life.

please stop using the MH defence for these murder suicides, it’s not what depressed, physchotic or pretty much any mental health conditions drive you to do

I have zero compassion for someone who believes they have the right to take other people’s lives, especially immediate family & children in order to prop up what I suspect is a fragile ego.

@Hbh17

ah that poor poor man

there - is that better?

👏👏👏 well said.

I'll save my compassion for non-murderous bastards thanks.

2 females have been murdered, actually.

Quite. A oft-used method used by men people to further abuse and control their partners.
Male violence, again. And again and again.

I have. It happens in my country (Australia). The last one the woman murdered her children while her husband went out to pick up a new tv. There isn’t support for mental health illnesses here. Of course there are so many government health campaigns about how important mental health is and to seek help. But for anyone trying to seek help in either the government or private system it’s next to impossible to even see a psychiatrist.

If you go to hospital they will discharge you as soon as you’re calm.

@Hbh17 It's comments like yours that enable and embolden the 'bring back hanging' baying mob out there because we are all too 'woke' ! Of course we need more help available for mental health, and those who are living with people with mental health issues but MH simply cannot be a 'get out of jail free' card for abusers and double murderers. Lots of people have MH issues or failed businesses or whatever- but don't go around murdering their family. Your sympathy /empathy is very misplaced

I feel pity for them, they bury their heads in the sand so they can pretend this world is safer for them and less hateful of women than it really is. It’s pathetic and weak, but understandable to a degree.

90% of family annihilators are men.

Of the few cases that have been women (aside from the US case where the mother wanted rid of her kids so her bf would commit to her) most seem to have been true examples of severe MH problems with accompanying beliefs that she couldn't look after her kids, that noone else could be trusted to look after them, that they were better off "with" her etc. The woman was often quite isolated, without coparenting help etc.

Yesterday was one of those days I felt like turning the news off. This, which I knew would be down to him. Then the bloke who murdered that young mum, sexuality abused and murdered her child and raped another child. Followed by more on David Carrick.
I have completely had it with the "not all men" and "let's have empathy for the double murder" bollocks.

Our immediate thoughts are telling aren't they. As soon as I heard this news story, I thought the husband has killed them both and then taken his own life. Immediate thought.

If I hear a women found dead with her children - my immediate thought is, a violent ex of some kind has done this and then fled the scene.

My heart goes out to the family.

We DO know the circumstances.

A bright, brilliant woman is dead.
Her very young female child is dead.
Everybody who knows them is traumatised and horrified.

Her husband, the child's father, pulled the trigger.

This was a shotgun I assume as it's unlikely he had any other sort of licence unless he was a sportsman.
Shotguns in a domestic setting will do terrible damage. I'll say no more than that.
It was his gun it appears, he knew that.

Nope, no compassion for him from me. Violent men commit crimes because they see women as less than themselves. It's as simple and as terrible as that.