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Epsom College Murder Suicide

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PleaseStopSayingHuBbY · 07/02/2023 11:10

I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

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StClare101 · 07/02/2023 23:53

The video of her dancing and singing with her daughter….. has made me cry again.

The poster saying she and all women she knows feel safe clearly doesn’t know the stats.

I feel so sorry for Emma’s sister and brother in law too. Getting a desperate call, a frantic drive, to find what they found. Utterly horrifying.

TiredRetired · 07/02/2023 23:57

Clawdy · 07/02/2023 11:38

Sadly, she'd made a distressed call to a family member. They arrived at the house, but it was too late.

Why didn’t they call the police instead of driving over.
I suppose that might be what they’re asking themselves. What a tragedy.

Cleaningismycardio · 08/02/2023 00:01

A successful woman at the top of her game and her beautiful daughter died at the hands of someone who was not mentally ill. They were killed by someone who was filled with self-aggrandisement and who had developed a hatred for the woman he was supposed to love because she overshadowed him in every respect.

9 years ago I was on maternity leave from my teaching job at a private boarding school. My husband also worked there. Not a single person knew of the abuse I had suffered at his hands for 10 years. In public, I was known for my staunch feminism and I stood up for the rights of my female pupils at a sexist and outdated institution. In private, I was terrorized. I left my family home suddenly when my baby was months old. I moved a few hours away but continued to be threatened and harassed. A colleague contacted me to say he feared my then-husband was going to harm me because of things he had said about me amongst friends, but also in school. I went to the police terrified he was going to kill me and informed them that he had access to guns through his school CCF role. The police were initially skeptical and dismissive, but became sympathetic after hearing my story. However, they admitted there was not much they could do- there was no evidence and no previous. This was just before the changes in law regarding coercive control (Scotland). They directed me to Women's Aid, which I went to and will be eternally grateful for. I was one of the lucky ones. I endured a further 6 years of harassment, threats and fear, but there were no attempts on my life. Had I settled in a town nearer to him, I genuinely don't know what the outcome would have been. The absolute paranoia and fear that he would kill my family or myself was real and was something that built up quickly after years of an established abuse pattern. I only left because I could not bear the thought of my child being left alone with this man were I to die.

Unfortunately these things are text book. Emma will have experienced years of abuse - even if people who knew her express surprise/state there was no inkling of this, she will have suffered. This will not have been an impulsive moment or a crime of passion by that vile cretin. The extremity of the violence will have built up over a period of time - possibly a short time, but it will have built. However, an abusive cycle will have been in place for years. Emma will have been terrified, and thoughts of the most terrible outcome will have likely entered her head. I hope to God her child was asleep. I lit a candle tonight for Emma and for Lettie. I abhor the man who did this.

LexMitior · 08/02/2023 00:03

It is hard to know. But it is possible that Emma Pattison called her sister and at that point even in her mind she was struggling that her life was in danger. Her sister would have been worried but either told to come and help and the message was diluted.

We see this all the time on MN. People who are in dangerous or abusive relationships do not communicate directly. They minimise or cope. And that's what they tell their friends and family.

Thelnebriati · 08/02/2023 00:05

Abusers spend years changing their victims perception of safety and preventing them from acting without permission, thats why.

Its so weird to see women's distress at male violence described as hatred.
As for the Massachusetts case; the mother had PPP. Most of the women who murder their children have actual, severe psychiatric problems.

endofthelinefinally · 08/02/2023 00:17

Mylobsterteapot · 07/02/2023 18:31

What the GDST lady said on the BBC “no matter no successful you are as a woman, you are only as safe as your male partner let’s you be”.

I have no words.

This quote should be on the front page of every newspaper this morning.

endofthelinefinally · 08/02/2023 00:22

The majority of women on here recognise red flags. Unfortunately men, police, either don't recognise them, don't take them seriously, or don't care.

MichaelFabricantWig · 08/02/2023 00:30

Absolutely awful. Vile, murdering scum. Sadly it was obvious from as soon as it was announced that this was what happened. Anyone making excuses for this piece of shit that he was a great guy/must have been in such torment etc can fuck right off

CallieQ · 08/02/2023 00:58

@Clymene

George Pattison is a family annihilator. That is something men do.

This is a terrible tragedy but this comment is way over the top...
That is something a tiny minority of men do and not all men are like that
You seem to ignore the posts about the woman in US who killed her children

Canthave2manycats · 08/02/2023 01:36

RosaGallica · 07/02/2023 16:51

BBC is talking about murder by male as a fact.

Women conceive them as baby boys, bear them at risk to our health, grow them, nurture them, and as rewards have to put up with their constant sexualised demands, misogyny, entitlement and dismissal of our needs, and the risk of violence is always there.

I have a 'baby boy' now aged 19 and he would not ever have it in him to behave like this!!! WTAF is wrong with people?!!

Firefly1987 · 08/02/2023 01:38

God it was so eerie seeing that vid of her talking about her new job and how her husband had a new job now as well (although that wasn't the plan or something like that) and she seemed so happy. All this time husband probably felt resentful his life had been changed because of his wife's job. Terrifying this would threaten a man and he'd end up doing something so unthinkable.

Remaker · 08/02/2023 01:50

Lots of people were scolded yesterday and told to ‘think of the family members’. Meanwhile those family members knew exactly what had happened and who was to blame.

We know how difficult it is for any DV victim to get assistance from the police, but in her circumstances could she even have contemplated calling the police to her residence on the school grounds? It’s not surprising that she called a family member and that they also did not call the police until they’d discovered the worst.

FickleOnion · 08/02/2023 03:26

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Clymene · 08/02/2023 04:40

CallieQ · 08/02/2023 00:58

@Clymene

George Pattison is a family annihilator. That is something men do.

This is a terrible tragedy but this comment is way over the top...
That is something a tiny minority of men do and not all men are like that
You seem to ignore the posts about the woman in US who killed her children

I'm just going to repeat my first post:

This is a thread about a case of male violence against a woman and a girl.

Can we - as a mark of respect for the victims if nothing else - please stick to talking about that rather than the tiny number of women who harm their children.

If you want to talk about that, please start a different thread. It's unbelievably crass and insensitive to try and shoehorn it in here.

GoAgainstNicki · 08/02/2023 06:00

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You’re anticipating a offer from the school because the headmistress has been murdered? Am I reading that correctly?

BitOutOfPractice · 08/02/2023 06:19

i feel so sad and angry for this poor woman and her child. This male violence has to stop.

I also feel desperately sad for the poor relative who rushed round there to find this scene of devastation. Just indescribably awful.

MrsMurphyIWish · 08/02/2023 06:23

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Seriously? A woman and her child lost her life undeservingly and your concern is a school place?

Fucking hell.

Lemonsandlemonade · 08/02/2023 06:24

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😳. I think your priorities are a little off.

Lollipop999 · 08/02/2023 06:26

SweetSakura · 07/02/2023 23:16

It's just dumbfounding that the police and the school were happy for him to keep a gun on school property

It does seem odd I agree. But then the gun isn’t the main issue here, because I’m sure this would have happened without the gun in some other way. This murderous cretin was obviously full of resentment at her success. Poor woman was completely trapped as to call for help in her view would probably have brought bad publicity to the school.

FickleOnion · 08/02/2023 06:26

GoAgainstNicki · 08/02/2023 06:00

You’re anticipating a offer from the school because the headmistress has been murdered? Am I reading that correctly?

If you don’t know what you’re talking about @GoAgainstNicki usually best to say nothing.

All their 11+ and 13+ exam results are due to be sent out this week, they’ll have been ready for a while, but don’t let that get in the way of a good dig will you. You usually only have 2-4 weeks to decide whether to accept.

MrsMurphyIWish · 08/02/2023 06:28

FickleOnion · 08/02/2023 06:26

If you don’t know what you’re talking about @GoAgainstNicki usually best to say nothing.

All their 11+ and 13+ exam results are due to be sent out this week, they’ll have been ready for a while, but don’t let that get in the way of a good dig will you. You usually only have 2-4 weeks to decide whether to accept.

I think it’s you who should say nothing!

NightsThatStartWithWhiskey · 08/02/2023 06:29

FickleOnion · 08/02/2023 06:26

If you don’t know what you’re talking about @GoAgainstNicki usually best to say nothing.

All their 11+ and 13+ exam results are due to be sent out this week, they’ll have been ready for a while, but don’t let that get in the way of a good dig will you. You usually only have 2-4 weeks to decide whether to accept.

But it’s not really an appropriate thread to discuss your child’s school place on. It’s unfortunate that you can’t see that.

GoAgainstNicki · 08/02/2023 06:32

FickleOnion · 08/02/2023 06:26

If you don’t know what you’re talking about @GoAgainstNicki usually best to say nothing.

All their 11+ and 13+ exam results are due to be sent out this week, they’ll have been ready for a while, but don’t let that get in the way of a good dig will you. You usually only have 2-4 weeks to decide whether to accept.

If you read my comment again, you’ll see that I did ask whether I’d got that right. I can now see that you meant a school offer for your child. That’s still very insensitive and quite disrespectful. Not sure why you’d feel the need to comment that on this thread but do you hun

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/02/2023 06:49

SweetSakura · 07/02/2023 21:48

@surreygirl1987 I think your post was unfortunately phrased (undoubtedly because if you are devastated careful phrasing is the last thing on your mind). I did read it as you almost implying that she was unpleasant -but suspected that might have been an unfortunate sentence structure! I am so sorry for you and everyone who is knew her and is devastated. I know the publicity and traumatic circumstances will be making an awful loss even more unbearable

I agree that it was just awkward phrasing as a poster

I've often felt the same emotion myself when a woman/girl is killed and the emphasis is on how beautiful, intelligent, gifted etc she was and I become enraged both at their death in those circumstances, and that the implication that a woman somehow has to "justify" her life by being especially gifted, beautiful, kind etc - because even if she is average, or even below average in any respect, no-one has the right to take that life from her.

Women are human beings; we have intrinsic value. It's about time society recognised that and treated us with respect, instead of gnawing away at our rights - rights that our foremothers fought and died for - and giving them to men.

We are not adjuncts to men,
shields for men,
support systems for men,
sex toys for men,
incubators to provide men with children.

We are PEOPLE.

Ndd135632 · 08/02/2023 06:53

Lollipop999 · 08/02/2023 06:26

It does seem odd I agree. But then the gun isn’t the main issue here, because I’m sure this would have happened without the gun in some other way. This murderous cretin was obviously full of resentment at her success. Poor woman was completely trapped as to call for help in her view would probably have brought bad publicity to the school.

My post 2 days ago saying the same thing - that he did it and was resentful of her success - was deleted. Interesting if MN will now allow this to stay up.

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