Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

Women killed by (ex)-partners has dropped to 1 a week, not 2. (more accurately 57 in a year in 2020-21).

Some suggestion that this was in part due to less women leaving their violent partners during lockdowns - we know that leaving is the most dangerous time for a woman.

Also - “we know that the number of women killed by a male suspect increases again in 2021 to 141, higher than the number of women killed in 2019 and 2020” - this article doesn’t have figures for what proportion of that is by current or former partners though.

Even if it was 1 a week it’s still appalling, but I really don’t think we can say the numbers are falling.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/27/femicide-census-theres-a-disturbing-reason-for-the-falling-number-of-murders

I felt very annoyed this evening when it was reported as three people dying

a child and her mother have been murdered that is what has happened

the news has constant reports of male violence it’s depressing and makes me so angry

and I could not give a fuck with all this not all men …. It’s far too many men that’s the issues

Yes men are twice as likely as women to be murdered BY MEN there is a connection there 🙄 I think you missed it

@waterSpider your comments about 57 women being killed by current/ex partners does not reflect the whole picture. In addition to those 57:

14 were killed by their sons
2 were killed by their fathers
2 were killed by their grandsons
1 was killed by her uncle
1 was killed by her step-son
1 was killed by her BIL

Overall, in only 9 of the 111 confirmed cases was a woman killed by a stranger.

In 42 (53%) cases, the perpetrator had a known history of violence towards women.

www.femicidecensus.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/010998-2020-Femicide-Report_V2.pdf

Completely agree. Imagine if women were killing 2-3 men every week. Oh the outcry! But male violence against women is pretty much ignored by other men and the world in general. More needs to be done.

laidbacklife It's frankly difficult to imagine how we could possibly do more when there are apparently women on this very thread who fail to see how femicide and male violence against women are bad things.

This has actually made my blood run cold. What a monster. Something is wrong with men’s wiring for them to act like this repeatedly. It’s beyond scary. What is it that makes men so destructive & murderous? Women can be destructive & murderous too but not in the same proportions usually.

As soon as I read the news I guessed it might be him. Women seldom murder their families. Fucking hell

Was horribly convinced that this would be what had happened. Fucking male violence.

@SweetSakura it's Avery pertinent point that hasn't been mentioned much- the police checked his address only 3 days before the murders- why wasn't it flagged that a guy was living on school site with a gun in the house. It beggars belief

@happydappy2
ODFOD

They probably knew. When you have guns, the police inspect your house and issue the licence.

https://www.gov.uk/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates

This is just horrific, I can’t bear thinking about that poor mother and daughter. Why are men with absolutely no need for a gun at all, legally allowed to have one and keep it at their home?! It’s madness. Let alone if living on a school site. He’s not a farmer or anything. People shouldn’t be able to have guns in their possession just because they want them. This isn’t America.
What are politicians going to do about this?

No one who lives on a school site should be allowed to keep a gun- ever.

It is not unusual for staff members or spouses to have shotgun licences and access to firearms. There is a gun ownership and shooting culture within many independent schools, in my experience. Some families - including their school age children - and school staff shoot socially and also organise shoots as charitable fundraisers. Some are farming or landowning families, most are not. Some see it as a hobby or do it to increase social standing. There is often more than a touch of ego and machismo about it all. One prep school headmaster to my knowledge even used to use the school minibuses to taxi his friends and benefactors to and from shoots. The children sometimes found empty wine bottles and spent shotgun cartridges rolling around the minibus floor afterwards. It was also common knowledge he was a volatile, bullying, dishonest and misogynistic individual. This was recent, not in the dim and distant past.

What if he'd gone on the rampage in the school? If he's prepared to murder his own daughter then why not other girls. It's a terrifying thought.

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MALE violence

Takox- I heard the head of Girls Day School Trust which represents loads of schools and supposed to be at vanguard of female education/ leading and inspiring next generation etc AND will be extensively media trained - and what she actually concluded was no matter…( quote below) “women are only as safe as their male partner allows them to be”. As a response this made me completely despair- if men were being killed at the same rate as women ( by partners) we’d be tagged/ under curfew or some other solution by now. Absolutely hideous and tragic that a dynamic, happy, intelligent woman and her precious child yet again destroyed by a worthless ,egotistical killer , and that a whole generation of girls being told “ that’s just the way it is”. ( I get she didn’t intend it like that, but that was the message).

Good grief!!
That's utterly horrifying. It was a disaster waiting to happen then

We won’t fucking wheesht

Agreed. But Jess now needs to stop pretending that women don’t need safe spaces.

Can you imagine the outcry there would be if the statistics were reversed?

If women were murdering men at the rate of 2-3 a week? Assaulting and battering them in countless numbers? Castrating them to ensure their fidelity?

Parliament wouldn't;t be able to get laws through quick enough to protect them.

We won’t wheesht - for the sassenacs here, does that mean we won’t shut up?

My understanding is that it was a routine change of address check for his gun licence and as the police had such recent contact with him this contact is also being investigated.

Sorry @busymomtoone - I've effectively said the same as you - we cross-posted almost.

Good, it bloody well should be. Looks to me like yet again the police might have ignored warning signs.