Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

Absolutely this.

I’ve been reading this thread whilst listening to DH and DD giggling away at bath time upstairs - he’s wonderful. I know many wonderful men.

But it doesn’t take away from the fact that male violence is a fucking epidemic. And it can’t be just the women’s problem anymore, we need these ‘wonderful’ men to start doing something about it too.

Every year Jess Phillips reads a depressingly long list of the names of women killed by men in the previous 12 months. It’s absolutely heartbreaking and still there are women coming out with some of the crap on this thread.

You realise you’re replying to a comment about the WORLD not being safe for women, not just the UK? Do you think the women facing the Taliban are safe? Or women trafficked at the demand of men’s dicks, or girls facing FGM because men are so pathetically insecure they don’t want their wife to enjoy sex in case it leads to her cheating? Or maybe the girls who don’t get an education because the crime of being born female, or girls married off to old men to be raped and forced to give birth, risking their lives.

You are a privileged twit.

This is so desperately awful. I feel so sad,so sorry. I read somewhere that the police were going to speak to him about his gun licence. They lived in boarding school premises. Was a man with guns really allowed to live in a boarding school?

Agreed.

⬆️ This. Women won't wheesht.

No sympathy for him, or any man committing this ype of crime.

For those who think we should, listen to Jess Phillips reading out the list of the year's dead women, all killed by violent men who just wanted to.

No excuses. Those men just want to.

As well as recommending everyone follows CountDeadWomen on Twitter (it’s their list that Jess Philips reads in Parliament each year I believe), I also recommend Laura Richards, a criminal behaviour analyst and ex-Scotland Yard who is passionate about campaigning on VAWG.

She’s campaigned for years for a searchable database of men accused of violence against women but successive Governments have knocked it back.

www.thelaurarichards.com

A post that for some reason wants to talk about women very, very, very occasionally doing this sort of thing. Why are you adding to that?

There’s something really messed up about people who do this ‘women do it too’ nonsense. What on earth are you doing it for? What agenda do you have? It’s very odd. The people I know IRL that do this are either very naive with little life experience/sheltered lives or really are quite dangerous people with an agenda. Others seem to get it.

The CEO of the GDST (Emma Pattison’s previous employer) just saidnin the BBC news something along the lines of ‘ no
matter how well educated, high achieving or inspirational, a women’s safety is dependent on their partner’. Very sad but true.

Take your hate speech somewhere else. People have died here.

Thank you, I will do that.

No @Plbrookes I won't and neither will any of the other women here who have pointed out that uncomfortable statistic. Which you think is hate speech. So bizarre.

Why the fuck didn't George Pattison kill himself and leave Emma and Lettie alone??

Another family gone, murdered by the man who should love them and protect them.

WTF is happening to the world? There's a huge epidemic of violence against women and girls. It has to stop.

You’re just a vile, unintelligent troll at this point. Shame on you.

Men are, however, more than twice as likely to be murdered as women.

Women killed by (ex)-partners has dropped to 1 a week, not 2. (more accurately 57 in a year in 2020-21).

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2021

So very true.

And when you know you are with a dangerous man it is not easy to leave because the courts tend to put the rights of father's ahead of the safety of children. (And tend to not believe that successful professional women can be victims of abuse)

My heart is breaking for her and her daughter, and for the horror they must have gone through.

Really? So you've never once changed your route because you felt unsafe, or not walked home alone "just in case", or not gone for your daily run along the canal path because you know you'd feel too vulnerable out there on your own, or had to take an Uber for a five-minute walk because you never can be too careful, or crossed the road just to make sure that guy isn't actually following you, or turned down your music just in case you didn't hear a man sneak up behind you, or received an unsolicited dick pic, or had some rando remark on your tits/arse/face.

And that's before we get anywhere even remotely close to this fucking awful, enraging, cowardly, DESPICABLE act.

Men are, however, more than twice as likely to be murdered as women

By other men.

Male violence.

Exactly. By other men! Pretty much always men committing violence

It's so depressing. All of these (purportedly) women coming on here to scrabble around for a reason why this 'poor guy' killed his entire family.

A vanishingly small number of women kill their children. I can't think of any instances where they kill their husband and their children. When they do kill their children there is usually evidence of some kind of psychotic break.

Men who kill their families are far more likely to do so because they think of them as their property. That's nothing to do with testosterone but with socialisation.

Did you read your own link?

Was a man with guns really allowed to live in a boarding school?

Indeed.

And why was he allowed to possess gun in the first place?

I think he was some kind of financial advisor or management consultant? Why would he need, or be allowed to possess, a gun?

If I was a parent of a child at Epsom I would have some very big questions about this! It's horrifying.

From that link:

"The number of female victims (177) was the same as last year. During the two previous years, the number of these victims were higher (218 and 219; Figure 3). The number of female victims in the last year was similar to that seen between the year ending March 2012 and the year ending March 2017 (between 167 and 184). For those female victims where a suspect had been charged, 92% (109) of those suspects were male."

For those female victims where a suspect had been charged, 92% (109) of those suspects were male.

92%

For male victims where a suspect had been charged women I wonder what percentage of those suspects were female.