Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

I don’t know why some people are puzzled by why aggressive acts are largely carried out by men. Testosterone has a lot to answer for. The tendency to behave in a controlling and aggressive way is hard-wired into men. Way back that’s what men had to do. They fought, hunted, killed, while the women accommodated them and nurtured the young. The natural tendency can be largely suppressed through familial and social inhibitions, and varying testosterone levels obviously play a part, but scratch the surface of the wrong man, and this is what you get. You can’t switch off biology, unfortunately, and in men where the inhibiting factors have failed for many different reasons, male aggression in its many forms will continue to rear its ugly head.

I only hope that if any good comes from it that people in abusive or toxic relationships will make changes to their lives.

So many times on here I’ve read about both male and females hitting their partners or being in controlling or abusive relationships and they end up staying with them because they won’t hear that it’ll end up escalating, which it always does.

Whenever I hear stories like this I always wonder if they were an MNer.

The absolutely evil psychopathy and egotism of a man who has to take his wife and child with him to the grave, as if they are some sort of meaningful sacrifice for his miserable shitty existence. I wish I believed in Hell, so I could believe that he was roasting in it. What an absolute waste of a human being.

That poor woman, that poor girl, my heart breaks for them.

Wish these pathetic men would just kill themselves and leave their families the hell alone. RIP Emma and Lettie.

you could write to Karen Ingala Smith, she is on Twitter or online, and ask for your neighbour to be added to the list .

Partyandbullshit:

So I maintain that an absolutist approach along the lines of "I hate all men" just gets nobody anywhere. It's futile and unhelpful and doesn't lead to solution. Patronizing though it may be, the solution lies in research and work and funding and teaching.

OK, you've made your point. Not every single man is a literal murderer, and yes, research is useful, this is true.

Now please let us have our collective howl of grief and rage at this terrible tragedy, and all the others that have gone before.

Seconded.

Hmmm. 'The solution lies in research' is so vague as to be absolutely meaningless. Solution to what, exactly? What type of research?

The poster has just NAMALTed in the most smug way possible and contributed nothing meaningful, just annoying.

I'm sorry I have to disagree with a large amount of this post, you are making excuses for a man who had a choice and chose to murder his wife and daughter who must have been petrified in her final moments, her dad was supposed to protect her not murder her.

And as for asking people not to speak about the fact that successful women can be murdered too is simply bizarre. It's not disrespectful to speak about the fact that this woman who was murdered was a role model. There are other children that will be impacted by this murderer's actions, the children at that school will be scarred too. It's not disrespectful to other women to say who have been murdered to speak about these things.

We need to be fucking angry that these men commit these horrendous crimes.

We need to look at why these crimes occur.

We need to start, as a pp mentioned, calling these men what they which is murdering cowardly men.

So do fuck off with feeling sorry for the murderer sentiment which runs through this post.

I'm afraid I can't accept that. How can anything change, without investigating, learning, talking, understanding and from there working towards making sure these things don't happen? I couldn't bear for it to be my daughter when she's 45, or any future granddaughter when she's 7. This is one instance we're talking about here. This shit and worse goes on day in, day out, all over the world. Enough, already.

So you want us to shut up about these murders?

Why is that?

Which of the next women & children who will be murdered by the men who are supposed to protect them will that help.

Collective rage is useful, people need to talk about Emma and Lettie and the horror of a man who chose to end their lives prematurely. The more people talk and are aware of the fact that it is MEN who commit these crimes the better.

Change doesn't happen because we brush these things under the carpet.

I suspect there is a lot more to this, but if it's eg national security issue, then chances are the media story could be debated as to how accurate it is.

What anyone thinks is going to be achieved by insisting on bleating on about research when people are expressing grief and anger is beyond me. There are times and places. You don't make something conducive to the discussion you want simply by inserting yourself and continually failing to read the room.

For the record, I had no issue with any of your posts (like I said, part of the dialogue) and didn't ask for them to be deleted. I'm surprised they were. @MNHQ can you explain exactly which part of the Talk Guidelines @WinnieFosterReads 's posts breached? Not cool. At all.

It was terrible. It broke my heart.

Yes! I agree. Great tweet. But then one of the first responses is........

"I'm not afraid of men. I have great and kind men in my life.
Maybe you should go out more."

FUXAKE!!!!

So sad for both of them , My daughter (same heritage) looks so much like little Lettie , so upsetting. I will be holding her tightly tonight , why couldn't the cowardly scumbag just killed himself and not his family !!

i'm not a great fan of Charlotte Proudman, she tweets things like that then advocates to make single sex spaces mixed sex and doesn't worry too much about the impact being that rapists can be in women's prison as a result.

NAMALT > YBELTIAM (yes but everyone like this is a man[

You and me both.

I'm permanently suspended.

I get so bliddy angry that women and children are regarded as expendable.

Yes, I saw that too. It feels a lot like collusion.

Someone on that tweet was defending Tate as he hasn't been found guilty yet. Secondary schools (and some Primaries)are having a nightmare with boys being influenced by him. All parents need to be talking to their sons.

Also if the media had not broadcast all about Tate and kept it under wraps then his philosophy would hardly have been read or studied

But then if it's a thread about x topic then unless you read every person's perspective, it's a mix as to the responses it will get