Epsom College Murder Suicide

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I'm shocked but not surprised. This world is depressing and scary for women.

Thank you @Lentilweaver for calling it what it is - MALE VIOLENCE -perpetrated on women and children.

If someone says that it is a mental health issue, I hope someone else picks up on this point and says that women who are having mental health issues don't go around shooting their husbands and children in order to find a 'way out' or whatever feeble excuse they will try to use to explain the inexplicable.

It reminds me very much of a case in Ireland where Alan Hawe murdered his children, Liam, Niall and Ryan and his wife Clodagh before turning the weapon on himself.

Chickenshit men so they are.

That poor woman and her beautiful innocent child. I hope he rots in hell too.

Oh, there I was thinking it was the violent men that are the problem. 🙄

Completely agree LookItsMeAgain

There are no reasons for guns in a school. None. Ever.

Maybe we should outlaw men having ownership of guns, full stop. If they have a need, they can be borrowed from authorised centers for sport etc, under female monitoring. If they continue to kill us, they can't be trusted with weapons.

Lentil is in no way part of the problem

It’s male violence that is the problem

So, so sad. I feel for everyone involved who is left reeling from this trauma, including his friends and family. But not him, nothing but anger for him.

I can't even.....
The problem is abusive MEN who abuse and murder women and children.

Rules of misogyny number 4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.

www.google.com/amp/s/4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/amp/

Did you really mean to say that? Seriously?

Article from The Times… www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b73edf4c-a6d9-11ed-b9b7-9e487a0455d5?shareToken=19e2d950ef57cd65a2f1b613d02b1c84 Epsom College

I feel so sorry for the relative who was called by Emma in distress, that night - I can't imagine how he/she must be feeling. Other friends and family too, probably blaming themselves for not seeing what was happening.

I will never understand what goes through someone's mind when they decide to commit suicide and take their family with them.

There are no reasons for guns in a school. None. Ever.

Agreed, but I don't think there should be many reasons for guns at all. Zero sport use, zero hunting use. Just a very, very limited allowance for farmers, vets, bodyguards, etc. If a policeman is looking at a gun licence application and the occupation says 'chartered accountant', it should go straight in the bin.

It's terribly sad, but we don't know anything about what he was going through. To call him a "monster" when he was likely very ill is wrong. Would you say the same if a woman had done it? My grandmother killed herself and her very young daughter. She was pregnant at the time and by father nearly died too. Was she a monster?

How is it possible that a man known to have a shotgun was allowed to live on school premises? Aside from the utter tragedy of this, there clearly has to have been a lack of safety checks. Even the police visited him to check on his new address for his shotgun licence. That can't be allowed surely on school property?

They weren't really 'lost' though, were they? They didn't fall down the back of the sofa. Two of them were murdered.

First, he scared his wife enough that she woke a relative in the middle of the night. Then he murdered her and his 7 year old daughter. Then, to avoid the consequences of his own actions, he killed himself.

This type of family annihilation is an act of violence. In over 50% of cases it's an escalation of domestic violence.

To be completely honest, the thing that upsets me most about comments like this is that it is exactly the sort of thing I would have said 20 years ago, when I still believed kindness was the answer. Hint: only 1 sex are expected to provide this kindness, and it's not the sex that is doing all the killing.

1st rule of misogyny: women are responsible for what men do

10th rule of misogyny: the worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad

I am so sorry for Emma and Lettie and for the hundreds of other children on that school site who just had their childhood innocence shattered

It’s not wrong. He was a monster. Fuck being ill, it’s no excuse and frankly offensive to all the people struggling with mental illness.

fairypeasant totally. What actual need does ANYONE in the UK have for owning a gun anyway? Hunting or shooting claiming it’s a sport is ridiculous and bloodthirsty. Let birds just fly free, and let’s prevent evil, aggressive, violent men from getting their hands on them and just stop this now. To think they were available in a SCHOOL??? Working guns?? Just abhorrent.

Thanks for agreeing with me @Tirednest. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. My reply to them was actually a copy of my report of the crass theorising. And I don’t know why your post was removed, it was spot on. Good that that offensive post was removed so quickly, though. Make up theories about a tv programme by all means, but the poster getting off on seemingly using this for entertainment and feeling it’s ok to share for whatever sad little reason just sickened me.

More likely she was about to leave him, or his masculinity was reduced by a failing business or just by her being more professionally successful. This happens over and over again. Stop making excuses for such abhorrent behaviour.

Seriously, fuck off with making excuses for this man.

Firstly, I do feel terrible for the poor woman and child murdered. It’s a tragedy. I cannot get my head around what causes someone to do this.

it is worth pointing out though, that family murder/ suicides like this is not a uniquely male on female pattern of violence - yesterday a woman tried to stab her three kids and then herself, luckily help arrived before they all died. The woman is recovering in hospital and has been arrested (it was in Huddersfield IIRC). To make this only a ‘male on female’ violence problem isn’t accurate.

im not seeking to detract from what the husband did - it was wrong on every level and abhorrent - but I think it’s important that things are looked at accurately.

I disagree.

It's pure narcissism.

Woman and child murdered to feed a man's ego.

Don’t be ridiculous. Things should be done but be serious.

Yep. Being the headteacher of a prestigious school won’t protect you.